The manufacturing system. We have been trying to emulate that for a long time now.

 

Yeah, Toyota hasn't really been interested. I thought Magna might be from the start. I've seen that story other palces as well. It's Magna.

 

Chrysler compying from Toyota? If anything, Toyota copied Dodge and Ford when it came to the Tundra. GM even copied from the Ram. Toyota,GM,Honda and VW all have vehicles that look like they were designed by Chrysler designers. As far as sytems goes, Chryslers system was the basis for the merger with Daimler. Supposed Daimler engineering with Chrysler ability to designa and produce cars people wanted to buy in a rapid time frame made Chrysler one of the "Hot" car companies out there. Thanks to Daimler those days may be over. I hope someone does something soon cause I really don't want to have to buy anything buta Dodge.

 

Well anyone can look at sales and see that toyota has been doing something very well because they have made huge advances in marketshare. I'm no toyota fanboy but it amuses me when people start bashing on brands as a whole when the brand in question is that successful. Competition is good for the market, if no one pushes the envelope everyone will be content to stay where they are, and that's not good for anyone's favorite brand. Now that they've released the new Tundra, Dodge will be working on making the new Ram even better to blow it out of the water. End result: you get an even better Ram when the new one comes out.

 

The 2.7L engine is not a benchmarker in quality, I think I've made that opinion quite obvious; however,stalling although very annoying does not determine true reliability. My Grandparents had K-based carswith the 2.5LI4, it would stall frequently but they were able to get over 200K out of them before they sold them off due to high mileage.

I have heard that the W5A580 hassome transmission problems; however, I can tell youfrom my personal experience and my friends' experience that the 42LE (transmission used in the 300M) is a solid design when given the correct maintenance. Most of the time when people have transmission problems with Chrysler products, it is due to the fact that they do not have the fuel flushed when it needs to be done or when it is done they bring it to somewhere cheap that does not have ATF+4.

Also, if you are suggesting that Chrysler should use Honda transmissions, I suggest youGoogle Honda transmissionproblems and youwill discover that Honda has had quite a few problemsthemselves. The dirty little secret isevery manufacturer has transmission problems to some degree. This is why I like having a manual transmission option.

Also, you might want to use a different source than the one you listed if you want to convince me of anything. That source has bias written right on the title. The fact that you use that site and argue that Chrysler products are junk makes me wonder why your even here. You don't even own any Chrysler product that I'm aware of. Why are you here?

 

Yeah the site was biased, but the quote was fact. The site was for mear reference to a single case of how obsurd the issue is. I don't own a direct Chrysler product, however it's a lot closer than other brands. And where are you pulling that I say, "Chrysler products are junk"? That was your choice of words, just like me saying that youjust said"Dodge sucks", it's completelyirrelevant. I don't have to prove with any site that the W5A580 or E-Class transmissionhas had problems, the info is already out there and is well displayed throughmultiple forums with tranny problem posts, magazines like consumer reports (no matter how biased you might think they are), word of mouth, and from Mercedes mechanics.

 

i dont want kerkorian to buy it.

 

A 1984 Mercedes has no relation to any Chrysler product. Even though the LX cars use a similar platform, an older Mercedes car that was made way before the merger cannot be considered in any way shape or form a Chrysler product. The only Mercedes product that can be considered related to Chrysler is the R and M classes because they use a Chrysler (Jeep platform) designed platform.

When have you really saidgreat things about Chrysler as a whole. I see you bashing just about everything they make. You hate the interior,the transmissions, and some of the engines.You complain about Chrysler's reliability on a regular basis.Whatbesides theViper do you like (and even that you complain about)?

Did you read what I said abouttheW5A580? I did not defend it one bit. I said I haveheard it is not the greatest transmission.I defended the 42LE which you bashed because I can tell you first hand it is a good transmission when taken careof properly.If youare suggesting that Chrysler should use Honda transmissions to replace the W5A580, I suggest you take a look at Honda's transmission issues. Theyhave plenty of thier own problems, plus as far as I'm aware, they do not even have a current 5-speed automatic for RWD applications nor one that could handle the hp and torque of the Hemi models.

BTW,remember to take CR with a mountain of salt. They pick favorites. The fact that the Camry has been having trouble with their new 6-speed automatic hasn't effected the reliability ratings just like the oil sludge problem in both the2.2L and 3.0L engines offered in the Camrydidn't effect the reliability rating. They also don't account for the extra service that dealerships require these models to have done to them which are responsible for most of the good ratings in the first place.

 

Myself, have no interest in a KK purchase. He has expressed a desire to move the company fully "green"...see little future for the hemi and high performance lineage. Back to K-car economy crud.

 

Well screw that then. 'Green' is way WAY worse than simply economy. Some of the K-car stuff could at least be hot rodded, but hybrids are nothing but useless, hyped up crap. They dont even get the mileage claimed except under some pretty narrow and specific circumstances and even then its hyped up.Its pretty obvious that no one wants greenie mobiles. Before gas gotover $3/gal,you'd have an easier time finding amodel T going down the highwaythen a hybrid.They only start moving off the lots when gas prices spike, and then anyone who buys one gripes and complains that theyre not getting the 50 mpg claimed. And even when hybrid sales are in full swing, they make up what .5 percent of total vehicle sales?

Id like Chryco to stay American owned, but if a bunch of tree huggers are going to be calling the shots, then I say lets see what Magna can do. The last thing we need is for the good stuff like the Wrangler, Gladiator, Challenger and Demon to get the axe for some ugly, egg-looking Prius clone and then the whole company shuts down.