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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:12 AM
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Questions are popping up:

Do you have an alarm system and are you getting the red fail light on the dash?

Can you verify you are seeing a full 12vdc at contact 86 of the starter relay socket with the key turned to start? Just want to make sure the starter relay coil is getting all the voltage it should get from the ignition switch.

Are you seeing data bus issues such as boxes around the PRNDL indication or erratic instruments and any associated fault codes?
 

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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:35 AM
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Let start from the beginning. When did the vehicle die? And were you driving. And when you use a remote starter button, Does the engine turn over?
 
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Old Dec 9, 2016 | 12:53 AM
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REPAIR MECHANICAL CONDITION
TRANSMISSION RANGE SENSOR
BATTERY CIRCUIT RESISTANCE TOO HIGH
IGNITION SWITCH OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN
STARTER RELAY CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN
STARTER RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN
FUSED B(+) CIRCUIT OPEN
FUSED IGNITION SWITCH OUTPUT (START) CIRCUIT OPEN
STARTER
STARTER MOTOR RELAY
STARTER RELAY
TEST ACTION APPLICABILITY
1 NOTE: Check all PCM powers and grounds before continuing.
NOTE: Ensure that SKIS is operating properly. Check the SKIM for DTC. If
a SKIM DTC(s) is present diagnose them first before continuing.
WARNING: MAKE SURE THE BATTERY IS DISCONNECTED, THEN WAIT
TWO MINUTES BEFORE PROCEEDING.
Turn the engine over by hand to ensure the engine is not seized.
Is the engine able to turn over?
All
Yes ! Go To 2
No ! Repair the mechanical condition preventing the starter motor
from cranking.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
2 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the PCM harness connectors.
Move the Gear selector through all gear positions, from Park to 1st and back.
While moving the gear selector through each gear, measure the resistance between
ground and the P/N Position Switch Sense circuit.
Did the resistance change from above 10.0 ohms to below 10.0 ohms?
All
Yes ! Go To 3
No ! Replace the Transmission Range Sensor.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
3 Turn the ignition off.
Check the Battery Cables for high resistance using the service information procedure.
Did either Battery Cable have a voltage drop greater than 0.2 volt?
All
Yes ! Repair the Battery circuit for high resistance.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
No ! Go To 4
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STARTING
Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the PCM harness connector.
CAUTION: DO NOT PROBE THE PCM HARNESS CONNECTORS. PROBING
THE PCM HARNESS CONNECTORS WILL DAMAGE THE PCM TERMINALS
RESULTING IN POOR TERMINAL TO PIN CONNECTION. INSTALL
MILLER SPECIAL TOOL #8815 TO PERFORM DIAGNOSIS.
Turn the ignition to the Start position.
Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, probe the Fused Ignition Switch
Output (Start) circuit in the appropriate terminal of special tool #8815.
Does the test light illuminate brightly?
All
Yes ! Go To 5
No ! Repair the Fused Ignition Switch (Start) circuit for an open or
high resistance.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
5 Turn ignition off.
Remove the Starter Relay from PDC.
WARNING: The Parking Brake must be engaged and the transmission must
be in Park for a vehicle equipped with an automatic transmission.
WARNING: The Starter may Engage in the next step. Keep away from
moving engine parts.
Briefly connect a jumper wire between Starter Relay B+ circuit and the Starter Relay
Output Circuits.
Turn the ignition to the crank position.
Did the Starter Motor crank the engine?
All
Yes ! Go To 6
No ! Go To 9
6 Turn the ignition off.
Remove the Starter Relay from the PDC.
Turn the ignition on.
Using a 12-volt test light, probe the Ignition Switch Output circuit in the Starter
Relay connector.
While observing 12-volt test light, hold ignition key in the start position.
Does the test light illuminate brightly?
All
Yes ! Go To 7
No ! Repair the Ignition Switch Output circuit for an open or high
resistance.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
7 Turn the ignition off.
Remove the Starter Relay from the PDC.
Disconnect the PCM harness connector.
Measure the Starter Relay Control circuit between the Relay terminal and the PCM
harness connector.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?
All
Yes ! Go To 8
No ! Repair the Starter Relay Control circuit for an open.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
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STARTING
*NO CRANK CONDITION — ContinuedTurn the ignition off.
Install a substitute a Relay in the of the Starter Motor Relay.
Attempt to start the vehicle.
Does the engine crank over?
All
Yes ! Replace the Starter Motor Relay.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
No ! Replace and program the Powertrain Control Module in accordance
with the Service Information.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
9 Turn ignition off.
Remove the Starter Relay from the PDC.
Disconnect the Starter Relay Output connector from the Starter Solenoid.
Measure the resistance of the Starter Relay Output circuit between the Relay and the
Solenoid harness connector.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?
All
Yes ! Go To 10
No ! Repair Starter Relay Output circuit for an open.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
10 Turn the ignition off.
Remove the Starter Relay from the PDC.
Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, probe the Fused B+ circuit at the
Starter Relay terminal.
Does the test light illuminate brightly?
All
Yes ! Go To 11
No ! Repair the Fused B(+) Circuit for an open or high resistance.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
11 If there are no other possible causes remaining, review repair. All
Repair
Replace the Starter.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
 
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