the neon is a chrysler car and the talon has a 420A in it and it has dsm badges all over i belive if it would have fell under dsm catigory the larger aftermarket corps. would have paid more attension to them

 

I don't think dodge had anything other than "econo car" in their heads when they built the neon. The talon and eclipse are offered in turbo and turbo AWD models that are more of a performance car vs the 30-40mpg sticker that was stuck on the neons... + what would people rather see in a movie or at the strip, a turbo awd eclipse thats fast or some girly car thats fast...

 

well your car dosent look like a "girly car does it" besides wether or not the talon came with a turbo optio the 420A came with DSM badges also and with 140hp to the crank. I recall the Neon hase 150 they geared mor twards performance also. ESI' are a joke copared to a DOHC neon I dont think they diserve the DSM badge.

 

The first Neons, available as early as Feb/Mar 1994, were all ACR sedans, and you had to have an SCCA license to buy them. Dodge knew the performance potential from the get-go.

Besides, "DSM" only goes on cars that have engines by Diamond Star Motors. Since the Neon doesn't have any Mitsubishi parts like the 420A does, there isn't much point of sticking a DSM sticker on it.

 

One of the main things for a car to be a DSM had to deal with which plant they were manufactured out of. I believe it was Normal, Ohio? Also it had to deal with the fact that it was a joint effort by Mitsu, Eagle and Dodge. They all had the cars just different appearance features. Now if Mitsu had made a Neon bodied car, then they would probably have a DSM sticker . It didn't have to deal with performance at all. It just became a symbol for a series of great rides.

If my information is incorrect please forgive, this is what I had learned from being a DSM owner back in the day.

 

i see post all the time here on one form or anouther like this and the 2.0 in the neon is not a 420a, the best way to tell them apart is what side is the intake on, in the back is a 420a, in the front.. it's all dodge/chrys. dsm is a joint motar build from what i gather from other post, now i could very well be wrong, becuse i do have a bad habit of disregarding anything not pure mopar (dodge/chrysler/plymouth)

 

Chrysler Neon Engine

A588

The A588 is the SOHC version. Output is 132 hp SAE (98 kW) at 5600 rpm with 130 ft·lbf (177 N·m) of torque at 4600 rpm. It has a cast iron engine block and aluminum SOHC cylinder heads. It uses SFI fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder with roller rocker arms and features fracture-split forged powder metal connecting rods, one-piece cast camshaft, and a reinforced plastic intake manifold.

Applications:

* Dodge Neon/Plymouth Neon(1995-2000)
* Mitsubishi Eclipse(non-turboSOHC)(1990-1994)



420a

The DOHC 420a 2.0 produces 140 hp SAE at 6500 rpm with 130 ft·lbf of torque at 4800 rpm. It has a cast iron engine block and aluminum DOHC cylinder heads. It uses SFI fuel injection, has 4 valves per cylinder with roller rocker arms and features fracture-split forged powder metal connecting rods, a one-piece cast camshaft, and an aluminum intake manifold.

Applications:

* Chrysler PT Cruiser (non-US)
* Dodge Avenger/Chrysler Sebring (1995-1999)
* Dodge Neon/Plymoth Neon
* Mitsubishi Eclipse/Eagle Talon (second generation, 1995-1998)

2.0L 4 Cylinder 140 hp Gas Engine

Specifications

Type Gas

Number of Cylinders 4

Cylinder Configuration In-line

Number of Valves 16

Displacement 1996.0L (1,996,000 cc)

Compression Ratio N/A

Camshaft Configuration DOHC

Horsepower 140 @ 6000 rpm

Torque 130 @ 4800 rpm

Fuel Delivery Name Multi-Port Fuel Injection

Bore x Stroke 3.44 x 3.27

 

My car was purchased from Jack Miller Plymouth/Dodge in March of 94, so are you saying my Neon is a ACR, even though it has all the options that the Highline had? Could you buy an ACR and add all those options, being as though the ACR didnt even have a radio or A/C and my car has that.

 

Hmmm... Wouldn't be the first time I was dead wrong, now would it?... LOL... Mine was bought in April of '95, manufactured 12/94. Maybe just the ACR's required SCCA membership then. It came from info posted on "the .org". So much for getting reliable info off the internet.

Speaking of which... time for Wikipedia corrections...

The 1st gen Eclipse (1990-1994) was never available with a 2.0L I4 SOHC, contrary to the Wiki info. The Base model had a 92 HP 1.8L 8-valve SOHC (4G37); the GS had an optional naturally aspirated 135 HP 2.0L 16-valve DOHC (4G63); the GS-T and GSX had the turbocharged 4G63 at 180-195 HP. The info on the 420A is mostly correct, except that it was never used in the Neon, which had a normal-flow head making 150 HP. All this is available at numerous auto research sites (autos.msn.com, vehix.com, kbb.com, etc.).

Mitsubishi Motors (three diamonds) and Chrysler Corporation (penta-star) founded Diamond Star Motors in October, 1985. The DSM plant was situated in Normal, IL and eventually built cars bound primarily for the U.S. market. The first cars to roll off the line at this facility were the Mitsubishi Eclipse, Eagle Talon, and Plymouth Laser. The '94-up Galant was also produced there, sharing the same platform as the Eclipse.

So, the reason the Neon is not a DSM is because 1) it was not built at the Diamond Star Motors plant (built in Belvidere, IL and Toluca, Mexico), 2) it does not share the same platform/chassis as the Eclipse, and 3) Mitsubishi had no hand in the design or construction of the Neon.

Pretty sure the engine designations were ECB for the SOHC, and ECC for the DOHC, Gary Howell would probably be the one to ask, or if anyone still has their build sheet, it might be on there as a sales code. The only time I see A588 associated with the Neon DOHC, it also lists the Mitsubishi version as the "4A20", which is more in keeping with their naming conventions.