job I had last friday
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the funny thing is it is just a bad ground on an outlet here and an outlet there. . .no rhyme or reason. usualy in the middle of the circuit where the outlets before, and outlets after are good.[:@]
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I'm not exactly sure what it is that I'm looking at so bear with me.
In the first and second pic I think I see a piece of PVC with a wire feeding into it that is only partially burried in the ground and is laying against the side of a concrete slab, is that correct?
The top pic looks like an extension cord (that has been repaired once ) is wrapped around PVC and goes into a conduit elbow I guess as a feed for whatever that gray box is. Correct?
The top pic, is that white box an outside receptical? It looks like the back end of an INSIDE receptacle.
On the bottom pic, are you tappping out of the gray box and now running electric to a new outside box?
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after i fixed it
after i fixed it
In the first and second pic I think I see a piece of PVC with a wire feeding into it that is only partially burried in the ground and is laying against the side of a concrete slab, is that correct?
The top pic looks like an extension cord (that has been repaired once ) is wrapped around PVC and goes into a conduit elbow I guess as a feed for whatever that gray box is. Correct?
The top pic, is that white box an outside receptical? It looks like the back end of an INSIDE receptacle.
On the bottom pic, are you tappping out of the gray box and now running electric to a new outside box?
the BIG GREY box is the irrigation (irritation) timer.
the white pvc houses the low voltage direct burial solenoid cables from the timer.
the grey cord is tied into the condulet at the base of the timer box due to the incompetence of irritation companies. it is plugged into the gfi in the in use cover.
*an in use weather resistsant cover allows for a cord or cords to be plugged in and still be protected from the elements of water, snow (here???), and most moisture...people had the old flip type covers and would leave things plugged in resultiung in faulty brekers, fires, and dead people when rains or nasty weather hit.
the little box to the right is the new in use weather resistant cover that houses the new gfi as per code....yadda yadda yadda
even at multi million dollar buildings, you will find the same kind of irritation connection..unless the engineer was a bit more sofficticated and housed it in the building...[&:]
the orange cord was disconnected from the back side of the dwelling and promptly put away..
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....the neutral (bare wire, dugghh) ...
....the neutral (bare wire, dugghh) ...
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usafr...sorry I realize it may be a typo, but the neutral had better not be bare , only the ground..and thats in residential ..commercial has green ground wire...unless youre in the UK or NZ then its black...
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....the neutral (bare wire, dugghh) ...
....the neutral (bare wire, dugghh) ...
and I found that out the hard way when I was in Bosnia and 220V. . .OUCH!!!!!!!!
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Gotcha Baja, now I see it. It's kinda tuff to figure out because both pics are kinda blurry. You need to wipe the mud off of the lens after taking pics from the weekend baja trips.
Drew, an open ground in the MIDDLE of a run ONLY ?? That's weird !!
Drew, an open ground in the MIDDLE of a run ONLY ?? That's weird !!
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Gotcha Baja, now I see it. It's kinda tuff to figure out because both pics are kinda blurry. You need to wipe the mud off of the lens after taking pics from the weekend baja trips.
Drew, an open ground in the MIDDLE of a run ONLY ?? That's weird !!
Gotcha Baja, now I see it. It's kinda tuff to figure out because both pics are kinda blurry. You need to wipe the mud off of the lens after taking pics from the weekend baja trips.
Drew, an open ground in the MIDDLE of a run ONLY ?? That's weird !!
I just want to punch and lash the guy that wired my house
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Well ... I have some ideas on your situation if you wanna hear them ....
First of all, how is each outlet wired? Are they wired around the screw, or are they "stabbed in the back"?
Stabbed in the back would mean that a small piece of insulation is stripped off of the wire and then the wire is pushed into the back of the outlet. I don't know for the life of me why this meets code, as I've seen COUNTLESS outlets short out or become dead because over time these types of connections simply fall apart. The best way( and I feel the ONLY way ) to wire an outlet is to use the screws ( black - brass ) and when all connections are made wrap the outlet in black tape before re-inserting it back in to the housing.
My next though goes along the same lines
I've seen outlets where the wire nuts weren't tapped on andover time ( I still don't understand why or how ) the nuts fall off. This could eliminate the ground to one outlet, but still allow it to the rest. Tape MUST be used on all wire nuts. Also, if tape isn't used on the ground screw comming from the outlet it too may have come loose.
Check it out.
First of all, how is each outlet wired? Are they wired around the screw, or are they "stabbed in the back"?
Stabbed in the back would mean that a small piece of insulation is stripped off of the wire and then the wire is pushed into the back of the outlet. I don't know for the life of me why this meets code, as I've seen COUNTLESS outlets short out or become dead because over time these types of connections simply fall apart. The best way( and I feel the ONLY way ) to wire an outlet is to use the screws ( black - brass ) and when all connections are made wrap the outlet in black tape before re-inserting it back in to the housing.
My next though goes along the same lines
I've seen outlets where the wire nuts weren't tapped on andover time ( I still don't understand why or how ) the nuts fall off. This could eliminate the ground to one outlet, but still allow it to the rest. Tape MUST be used on all wire nuts. Also, if tape isn't used on the ground screw comming from the outlet it too may have come loose.
Check it out.
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Gotcha Baja, now I see it. It's kinda tuff to figure out because both pics are kinda blurry. You need to wipe the mud off of the lens after taking pics from the weekend baja trips.
Gotcha Baja, now I see it. It's kinda tuff to figure out because both pics are kinda blurry. You need to wipe the mud off of the lens after taking pics from the weekend baja trips.
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Well ... I have some ideas on your situation if you wanna hear them ....
First of all, how is each outlet wired? Are they wired around the screw, or are they "stabbed in the back"?
Stabbed in the back would mean that a small piece of insulation is stripped off of the wire and then the wire is pushed into the back of the outlet. I don't know for the life of me why this meets code, as I've seen COUNTLESS outlets short out or become dead because over time these types of connections simply fall apart. The best way( and I feel the ONLY way ) to wire an outlet is to use the screws ( black - brass ) and when all connections are made wrap the outlet in black tape before re-inserting it back in to the housing.
My next though goes along the same lines
I've seen outlets where the wire nuts weren't tapped on andover time ( I still don't understand why or how ) the nuts fall off. This could eliminate the ground to one outlet, but still allow it to the rest. Tape MUST be used on all wire nuts. Also, if tape isn't used on the ground screw comming from the outlet it too may have come loose.
Check it out.
Well ... I have some ideas on your situation if you wanna hear them ....
First of all, how is each outlet wired? Are they wired around the screw, or are they "stabbed in the back"?
Stabbed in the back would mean that a small piece of insulation is stripped off of the wire and then the wire is pushed into the back of the outlet. I don't know for the life of me why this meets code, as I've seen COUNTLESS outlets short out or become dead because over time these types of connections simply fall apart. The best way( and I feel the ONLY way ) to wire an outlet is to use the screws ( black - brass ) and when all connections are made wrap the outlet in black tape before re-inserting it back in to the housing.
My next though goes along the same lines
I've seen outlets where the wire nuts weren't tapped on andover time ( I still don't understand why or how ) the nuts fall off. This could eliminate the ground to one outlet, but still allow it to the rest. Tape MUST be used on all wire nuts. Also, if tape isn't used on the ground screw comming from the outlet it too may have come loose.
Check it out.
taping the receptacles and switches is really only necassary when dealing with live power. if its off, the connections are properly "torqued", and you did NOT terminate with stranded wire, then tape is not needed.
back to stranded, you MUST terminate stranded conductors with either a crimp on terminal, or a compression terminal (set screw with 2 pressure plates where the wire slips between). you are not allowed to terminate stranded around a screw terminal. this causes frays that can short to the box, adjacent device, or service person working on it.
for good clean wire connections while using wire nuts, try one of the handy dandy tools....its a 6 in 1 screw driver with a nut driver on the back of the handle..it ratchets even...