a big thing was japan would reach and conquer the massive oil reserves in the dutch east indies now known as indonesia....

what i think bush wanted to do (and this is stretching it and giving a lil too much credit) was to exercise a show of force with more ***** (than what we did to N korea in the mid 90s) to iran, iran really poses far more of a threat than iraq ever did/does, the US wouldnt have really wanted to go to war with iran, kinda like instead of beating up the big kid in school that you could take but will get beaten up as well, take a lil bit weaker kid and beat the **** out of him so the other bully doesnt mess with you.... well nobody expected this much resistance and hardship on maintaining an occupied country... we did it the wrong way, our rules of engagement over there make us combat ineffective.... have a night time curfew, take some SS teams, give them an M40 or M24 with a simrad nv scope and let them have target practice on anyone caught walking around outside... the current urban combat vehicles are crap, the new MRAP is too little too late,

 

Still feeling a little hot coming off the trail are we?

 

Uhhh, actually I came off the trail in Nov 2004 and have done 2 friggin deployments since.

And no, not hot about it at all, except when someone calls someone F'n RETARDS THAT DON'T EVER KNOW WHAT THEHELL THEYARE DOING.

Careful, karma has a funny way of biting folks in the ***.......especially when they talk smack about things they don't know.

I'm being as politically correct and as respectful as I possibly can, because it involves a spouse.......so I'll refrain on what "I believe" where the actual events that went down. But what do I know????

 

hopefully we have worked through the 'issues' this thread has raised (and Ramit don't think I'm not gonna remember your little comment there about females in the military)

lets look at what this started as ~ our troops may not get a freaking PAYCHECK.

what did congress do today???? http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.html

CURRENT HOUSE FLOOR PROCEEDINGS
LEGISLATIVE DAY OF MAY 14, 2008
110TH CONGRESS - SECOND SESSION
7:48 P.M. - SPECIAL ORDER SPEECHES - The House has concluded all anticipated legislative business and has proceeded to Special Order speeches. 7:45 P.M. - Ms. Foxx requested the following general leaves to address the House on May 21: Mr. Poe for 5 min and Mr. Jones of NC for 5 min. H. Con. Res. 331: supporting the goals and ideals of National Women's Health Week, and for other purposes Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by voice vote. 7:27 P.M. - DEBATE - The House proceeded with forty minutes of debate on H. Con. Res. 331. Considered under suspension of the rules. 7:26 P.M. - Mrs. Capps moved to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution. The Speaker announced that votes on suspensions, if ordered, will be postponed until May 15. 7:25 P.M. - Ms. Slaughter filed a report from the Committee on Rules on H. Res. 1197. H.R. 4040: to establish consumer product safety standards and other safety requirements for children's products and to reauthorize and modernize the Consumer Product Safety Commission 7:24 P.M. - The Speaker appointed conferees: Dingell, Waxman, Rush, DeGette, Schakowsky, Barton (TX), Whitfield (KY), and Stearns. S. Con. Res. 70: setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2009 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2008 and 2010 through 2013 The Speaker appointed conferees: Spratt, DeLauro, Edwards, Ryan (WI), and Barrett (SC). H. Res. 789: honoring public child welfare agencies, nonprofit organizations and private entities providing services for foster children Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by recorded vote (2/3 required): 414 - 0 (Roll no. 322). 7:16 P.M. - Considered as unfinished business. S. Con. Res. 70: setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2009 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2008 and 2010 through 2013 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion that the House instruct conferees Failed by the Yeas and Nays: 185 - 229 (Roll no. 321). 7:07 P.M. - UNFINISHED BUSINESS - The Chair announced that the unfinished business was the question on the adoption of the Ryan(WI) motion to instruct conferees on S.Con.Res. 70 and on a motion to suspend the rules which had been debated earlier and on which further proceedings had been postponed. H.R. 4040: to establish consumer product safety standards and other safety requirements for children's products and to reauthorize and modernize the Consumer Product Safety Commission Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion that the House instruct conferees Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 405 - 0 (Roll no. 320). 6:43 P.M. - The previous question was ordered without objection. 6:38 P.M. - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on the Whitfield motion to instruct conferees on H.R. 4040. The instructions contained in the motion seek to require the managers on the part of the House be instructed to insist upon the provisions contained in the House bill. Mr. Whitfield (KY) moved that the House instruct conferees. 6:37 P.M. - On motion that the House disagree to the Senate amendment, and agree to a conference Agreed to without objection. Mr. Dingell moved that the House disagree to the Senate amendment, and agree to a conference. S. Con. Res. 70: setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2009 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2008 and 2010 through 2013 6:34 P.M. - POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS - At the conclusion of debate on the Ryan(WI) motion to instruct conferees on S.Con.Res. 70, the Chair put the question on the adoption of the motion to instruct conferees and the noes had prevailed. Mr. Ryan(WI) demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on the question of adoption of the motion to instruct conferees until later in the legislative day. 6:33 P.M. - The previous question was ordered without objection. 5:34 P.M. - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on the Ryan(WI) motion to instruct conferees on S. Con. Res. 70. The instructions contained in the motion seek to require the managers on the part of the House to increase negative budget authority and outlays in section 101(19), function 920(Allowances) of the House amendment, by $2.02 billion over the period of fiscal years 2009 through 2013. Mr. Ryan (WI) moved that the House instruct conferees. 5:32 P.M. - On motion that the House insist upon its amendment, and request a conference Agreed to without objection. 5:30 P.M. - On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to without objection. The House struck all after the resolving clause and inserted in lieu thereof the provisions of a similar measure H. Con. Res. 312. Agreed to without objection. 5:28 P.M. - Rule provides for consideration of S. Con. Res. 70 and H. Con. Res. 312. Measure will be considered read. The rule adopts as an amendment in the nature of a substitute consisting of the text H. Con. Res. 312 as adopted by the House, adopts S. Con. Res. 70, as amended, and provides that the House insists on its amendment and requests a conference with the Senate. Considered under the provisions of rule H. Res. 1190. H. Res. 1173: recognizing AmeriCorps Week On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 344 - 69 (Roll no. 319). Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 5:20 P.M. - Considered as unfinished business. H. Res. 1190: providing for the adoption of the concurrent resolution (S. Con. Res. 70) setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2009 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2008 and 2010 through 2013 Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 214 - 203 (Roll no. 318). 5:11 P.M. - On ordering the previous question Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 225 - 187 (Roll no. 317). 4:45 P.M. - UNFINISHED BUSINESS - The Chair announced that the unfinished business was on the adoption of H. Res. 1190 and the motion to suspend the rules and agree to H. Res. 1173 which was debated earlier and on which further proceedings were postponed. H. Res. 1190: providing for the adoption of the concurrent resolution (S. Con. Res. 70) setting forth the congressional budget for the United States Government for fiscal year 2009 and including the appropriate budgetary levels for fiscal years 2008 and 2010 through 2013 4:22 P.M. - DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 1190 Considered as privileged matter. 4:21 P.M. - The House received a message from the Clerk. Under Clause 2(g) of Rule II of the Rules of the U.S. House of Representatives, the Clerk notified the House that she has designated Ms. Deborah M. Spriggs, Deputy Clerk and Mr. Robert F. Reeves, Deputy Clerk, to sign any and all papers and do all other acts for her under the name of the Clerk of the House which they would be authorized to do so by virtue of this designation, except such as are provided by statute, in any case of the her temporary absence or disability. This designation shall remain in effect for the 110th Congress or until modified by the Clerk. H.R. 6051: to amend Public Law 110-196 to provide for a temporary extension of programs authorized by the Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002 beyond May 16, 2008 4:20 P.M. - Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 4:19 P.M. - On passage Passed by voice vote. Considered as privileged matter. H. Res. 1133: congratulating Winona State University on winning the 2008 Division II men's basketball championships Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution, as amended Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 413 - 0 (Roll no. 316). 4:08 P.M. - Considered as unfinished business. H.R. 2419: to provide for the continuation of agricultural programs through fiscal year 2012, and for other purposes On agreeing to the conference report Agreed to by recorded vote: 318 - 106 (Roll no. 315). Motions to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 4:01 P.M. - On motion to recommit with instructions to conference committee Failed by the Yeas and Nays: 193 - 230 (Roll no. 314). 3:35 P.M. - The previous question on the motion to recommit with instructions to conference committee was ordered without objection. Mr. Cantor moved to recommit with instructions to the conference committee. 3:34 P.M. - The previous question was ordered pursuant to the rule. 2:03 P.M. - DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on the conference report to accompany H.R. 2419. Mr. Peterson (MN) brought up conference report H. Rept. 110-627 for consideration under the provisions of H. Res. 1189. H. Res. 1196: electing a Minority Member to certain standing committees of the House of Representatives Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 2:02 P.M. - On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to without objection. Considered as privileged matter. H. Res. 1176: supporting the goals and ideals of National Train Day 2:01 P.M. - On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 415 - 0 (Roll no. 313). Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. 1:53 P.M. - Considered as unfinished business. H. Res. 1134: supporting the goals and ideals of Mental Health Month Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On motion to suspend the rules and agree to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 421 - 0 (Roll no. 312). 1:46 P.M. - Considered as unfinished business. 1:45 P.M. - UNFINISHED BUSINESS - The Chair announced that the unfinished business was the question of adoption of motions to suspend the rules which had been debated earlier and on which further proceedings had been postponed. H. Res. 1189: providing for consideration of the conference report to accompany the bill ( H.R. 2419) to provide for the continuation of agricultural programs through fiscal year 2012, and for other purposes Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection. On agreeing to the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 228 - 193 (Roll no. 311). 1:35 P.M. - On ordering the previous question Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 232 - 188 (Roll no. 310). 11:58 A.M. - DEBATE - The House proceeded with one hour of debate on H. Res. 1189 11:56 A.M. - Considered as privileged matter. 11:52 A.M. - Will the House now consider the resolution Agreed to by the Yeas and Nays: 228 - 189 (Roll no. 309). 11:02 A.M. - POINT OF ORDER - Mr. Flake raised a point of order against the provisions of H. Res. 1189 because it violates the earmark rule. The Chair announced that the disposition of the point of order would be resolved by the question of consideration of H. Res. 1189. The House proceeded with 20 minutes of debate on the point of order at the end of which the Chair will put the question on consideration. Will the House now consider the resolution Agreed to by voice vote. 10:46 A.M. - POINT OF ORDER - Mr. Flake raised a point of order against the provisions of H. Res. 1189 because it violates the Congressional Budget Act. The Chair announced that the disposition of the point of order would be resolved by the question of consideration of H. Res. 1189. The House proceeded with 20 minutes of debate on the point of order at the end of which the Chair will put the question on consideration. 10:44 A.M. - By the direction of the Committee on Rules, Mr. Cardoza called up H. Res. 1189, and asked for its immediate consideration. 10:28 A.M. - ONE MINUTE SPEECHES - The House resumed with one minute speeches. The House received a message from the Senate. The Senate passed H.R. 3121 with an amendment. 10:09 A.M. - ONE MINUTE SPEECHES - The House proceeded with one minute speeches which by direction of the Chair, would be limited to 15 per side of aisle. 10:07 A.M. - CALENDAR WEDNESDAY - Pursuant to clause 6, Rule XV, the Clerk proceeded with the call of the Committees under Calendar Wednesday. 10:05 A.M. - PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE - The Chair designated Mr. Walden of OR to lead the Members in reciting the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag. The Speaker announced approval of the Journal. Pursuant to clause 1, rule I, the Journal stands approved. 10:04 A.M. - Today's prayer was offered by Rev. Hank Wilkins, IV, St. James United Methodist Church, Pine Bluff, Arkansas. 10:00 A.M. - The House convened, starting a new legislative day.


They spent all of SEVENTEEN minutes on the budget....the decision "Motion to reconsider laid on the table Agreed to without objection."

(yes I know this is a very simplistic look at the US government and there is much much much much more to it than just the minutes of the floor but it is food for thought)

 

Hey Lilfrogger,

Glad you made the call out on a certain post. For me, it has gone beyond the point, (concerning a certain poster); normally I skip over what they write because I know it will contain nonsense. I am relatively confident; this is an individual with very little life experience, lives in a bubble and feels they have been given the short end of the stick. I understand by not challenging, this person thinks all is well and that people concur with the thought process.

Frankly, I didn’t want to waste my time, I am glad you did. Just wanted you to know, I caught it as well.

All we truly have is our credibility and integrity.

 

Our MOS is very small, so where we can be stationed is very limited. Therefore I know just about everyone that went to AIT with her, as they are all still in the same unit, RIGHT HERE. So, with saying that, the story I got from all those people, is the correct story. So stop trying to defend the round brown, because you may have been a squared away DS. First line of the NCO creed is bullsh*t, "No one is more profesional than I," because in Aviation, the first line is "No one is a bigger sh*tbag than I."

 

I'm gonna bow out of this argument because you really are showing your limited experience here.

Whatever the case, you seem to like to bag on the big picture more than anything else, just like anyone else with limited experience.

You haven't seen enough of the BIG PICTURE to fully understand it. YOU called the army prison and can't wait until you get out in 2 years......fine, so be it, wish you the best in the future.

But before you bag on EVERYONE in a given community, you may want to actually be part of that community first.

It's easy to criticize and point fingers when you are on the outside looking in.

Have a nice night.

 

That last post made no sense what so ever.

But before you bag on EVERYONE in a given community, you may want to actually be part of that community first- What the hell is that supposed to mean? I have done my time in "The Community," assuming you are talking about the "Army." Korea, Katrina, Pakinstan, 15 months of Iraq within the 4 years I have been in, I think I have seen plenty of the "BIG PICTURE."

The Big picture is, the Army is junk. I am sure that will grind your gears pretty good.

 

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As I stated before, I'm gonna bow out of this because your lack of experience is showing.

A whole 4 years, huh? You certainly are a man of worldly experience, aren't you???

Know your role, CHERRY!

Being how much you like to cry about it all.......



Oh, that's right......promotions are pretty much automatic now, not earned like they used to be. So I'm sure you're probably a highly competant troop leader by now. Maybe a Sergeant......or a turd that has so many counseling statements they turned you down?