Dose anybody know of this law (Magnusson Moss Act)?. i heard it cover's our *** if u do have mods and its has a majior problem . they cant void our warinty. anyy info?. to the truck off roading frist time today hope that pats win.

 

it's a good read but, whether it will hold up is another story. You have to remember how big DC is and how many lawyers they have. You'd go broke trying to fit them.

I can just imagine showing that to your local dealer. First, they'd probably laugh. Then they'd tell you to take it up with DC. DC would probably tell you that legislation has no merit for your problem......

I'd sure like to hear about someone story fighting DC with that act.

here's a broken down version if anyone wants to read it...............

http://www.free-lemon-law-guide.com/...n-moss-act.php

 

Have you read all of it, as many have not and are then surprised as to what it does and does not say? I would not mod a truck thinking that Magnuson Moss act was going to save the day if Dodge said tuff crap you did XYZ and you have now voided your warranty. If Dodge did do so then its up to you to prove them wrong and we all know that cost big $$$$$. Remember this if you do mod/bom the truck then you have to go by the old saying, "If you play then you pay!"

 

It's actually pretty specific in what it says. They can't void your entire warranty because of a mod, but they can void specific parts due to mods.

Like they couldn't tell you to pound sand if your radio stopped working and you had a programmer. That wouldn't fly.

But, let's say that you put a box or programmer on the truck and your trans gave out. You can blame that on a power adder. Same thing if you twisted an axle shaft or busted a d-shaft. You can blame any of those on power adders.

Chipped and you blow a turbo apart.....Fuhgetaboutit!

Chipped and your wipers stop working,...well, that's not attributable to a power adder.

Just be cautious of what you try to fight about. Remember, if you mod and you break it and you try ot scam it under a warranty deal, the ones who pay for it is all the rest of us when we go to buy a new truck and have to eat the cost of fraudulent warranty claims.

 

It's like the guys at Bully Dog told me,, "don't admit to anything". "programmer,,, whats a programmer?" (name, rank, serial number) [8D]

 

Yeah, but you got lucky, as it fried the TIPCM. If that hadn't been the case, you'da been up $hit Creek. That's a $2k module. Hmm, wonder how I know what that thing costs?

Bottom line, if you mod, don't expect somebody else to foot your bill if you break it. That's BS. It just cost the rest of us more money in the end and raises and eyebrow whenever other folks with a diesel come into the dealer. They peek at the truck, see that you have an aftermarket muffler or a K&N filter and automatically start probing. Why? Because they know the ususal trend, they're not dumb. If you saw it day in and day out, you'd know where to look as well.

Take my truck for example. Mines been in so may times, they are thinking I'm screwing with it. I was checking things out yesterday and I popped the hood and noticed a few "marks", then I saw a few more "marks". You know where they were? All the places that I've had continual problems. Why? They reference those "marks". If they are moved, they know the part was screwed with.

They also "glued" my intake air temp sensor into the port. I saw this little shine from it and looked a little further and saw that they Super Glued that bastard on there.

My tranny lines, all have blue paint marks on the nuts and corresponding lines.

Batteries, paint marks on the nuts and terminals.

Oil change places do the same thing. Take a peek at your drain plug (if you go to one of them). I bet there is a paint mark on the plug and pan. They do this to cover their butts if somebody tries to say they didn't put it on, it was loose, etc.

So, do they look for places you may have messed with? Damn right.

Let your wallet be the guide.

 

Try forcing a company the size of any automaker to abide by the Magnusson Moss Act and you'll get an education in a hurry on a non modified vehicle much less one that's been tampered with. Yes, I tested a programmer on my Ford, but no, the problems were there before and well documented. I only tried it after both the mechanic and Ford's engineer told me, "There's nothing more we can do to fix this engine, it is the way it is." Well, the way it was, it wouldn't pull out of the driveway empty. I only used the thing for about 2 months trying different settings trying to make it run, then returned it to stock and forgot about it.

The long and short is, Automakers have more lawyers than you can afford. They'll do whatever it is they want to do. Go try to hire a lawyer to fight them. It won't work. Lawyers aren't stupid. There's nothing in it for them $$ to attempt to sue an automaker over a vehicle. They'd be in court for years and maybe just maybe eventually get a payout. Meantime, you're stuck with a bunch of bull and a vehicle that won't run. The best thing to do is trade it, take the beating you are going to get and walk away. Oh, you might get some satisfaction out of harrassing the crap out of them, but that's about all you'll get.

Skip

 

I noticed a bunch of marks on my 05 Ram too. I took the silencer ring off and saw a small black mark like it was made with a permanent marker. I then started seeing those marks in other places (on some plugs and wiring even on a small stone peck on the windshield).

Now that I see this from other guys, I wonder if I should mob this truck anymore. I only want to do simple things like airbox, filter etc. No chips or anything like that.

Do you think they are keeping a schematic of the truck with all the marked items or what?

This is probably a dumb ? but can I take the truck to a different Dodge dealer than where I purchased it for warranty work? If I removed the marks would they still look in those areas?

 

It's fine, as long as you aren't trying to press the manufacturer to fix something that YOU screwed up.

Here's the thing with maintenace items (i.e. airfilters, oil filters, oils, etc.). The manufacturer CAN NOT require you to use OEM replacement parts or maintenance items unless those items are provided FREE OF CHARGE.

As long as the items you use meet or exceed the manufacurers specs, you're fine.

Now, erase the OEM program on the truck and get caught, you are asking for trouble.

Oh get this, there is new OBDII code for '08. I can't rememebr the off hand, I'll find it but it is "Non OEM calibration detected" or something to that effect.

I'll find it.

 

I was told by a Dodge SM back in June of 06 that Dodge was working on a way to tell of anyone added a chip to program to their truck and that it was only a mater of time before they got the computer code ready. Was also informed that they have been working on a way to detect if any thing was changed on the older trucks computer, even a box that sits in beteween the computer and the computer controled parts. This is one reason I will not touch mine until it hits the 7 year or 100K when the warranty is finished. I don't have the $$ to play and pay, that I don't like to try and stick it to them for my playing.

Just my $0.02