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Old 08-06-2011 | 02:26 PM
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Last week my '03 ram van 1500 (5.2 magnum) just died-no cough, sputter, lurch, nothing. Had it towed home. Had spark and 50psi at the fuel rail.
Set it at #1 TDC on compression stroke and pulled dist cap - rotor didn't look quite right, so I pulled the dist ( yeah I know, stupid move) made sure cam gear was where it was supposed to be and re-installed dist. Rotor now semed to be where it belonged. Not having access to a scanner, I set the sync with a voltmeter - scribed line from block to distributor lined up very close.
tried starting the motor, it won't even fart unless I rotate the dist CCW about one plug position It'll start now but runs like crap until I rotate dist CW back to where I set the sync , but it won't start in this position.
Went back and did everything over again, this time replaced crank and cam sensors with ones from a running 5.2. It does the same thing.
Any ideas ? I had problems with this van a while back (search "van whistle" in forums) the dealership replaced the motor and it's only got 20K on it- a new timing chain and gears were installed at this time. What else can I check before considering tearing into the chain only to find it might not be the problem ?
Thanks for your time - any help gratefully welcome.
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 36 ******
Had spark
1. Had spark where, at the coil, at the center tower of the cap, or at the spark plugs?
2. Have you done a compression test on any of the cylinders? Results?
3. Did you try spraying carb cleaner into the throttle body to see if it would fire up?
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 07:03 PM
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Had spark at the plugs, tried a small shot of gas down the tb - nothing.
When I first checked the dist, I went to #6 TDC as #1 is such a PITA. I only checked compression on #6 and #1 thinking it's gotta be a timing issue since it will run if I move the dist. Thinking it's run fine the last 20K, didn't even consider doing a complete compression test as it didn't seem relevant considering what's happening. I'll do a comp test tonight and post. Any other ideas?
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 36 ******
Any other ideas?
Yep, bad coil. Since the carb cleaner didn't get any reaction then the spark is not strong enough inside the cylinders.
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 09:04 PM
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Wasn't even considering coil - it would run if I moved distributor , right ? Went out and pulled the coil off my other 5.2, put it in and she fired right up ! I checked the working coil with a meter - primary @1.4 ohms, secondary @ 13,200 . checked the old coil- same primary resistance secondary @ 0 . How the heck did the motor run at all ? Anyway , I'll run this coil till I can get a replacement - any suggestions other than stock ? Now if you could solve the whistle problem, ( just kidding)
Alloro, thanks a million!
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 36 ******
any suggestions other than stock?

Now if you could solve the whistle problem
Stock will do just fine.

What whistling problem?
Is it a true whistle or more of a sucking sound?
Is it just at idle or even driving at highway speeds?
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 10:51 PM
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If you search van whistle you should find it. There is a you tube clip so you can hear it. 20K ago, the local dealership changed the motor under warranty- didn't solve any of my problems. If you read through completely you might get a feel for how frustrating it's been. Had a lot of well meaning people reply, but it seemed many of them weren't reading the entire post or they just didn't get it. The last thing I did was the kegger mod - fabbed a 1/4" aluminum plate and cut the runners back about 1 1/2". made no difference. Still can't understand why I get the extra 4 or 5 MPG with the O.D. OFF ! Anyone I talk to says "don't make sense". The dealership's service manager shrugged his shoulders and said " I guess thats the way it is"
If you could read the thread carefully and offer an opinion, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks again.
 
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Old 08-09-2011 | 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 36 ******
If you search van whistle you should find it.
Ah yes I found it and remember it quite well now.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/dodge-r...n-whistle.html

As I recall, I told you what was wrong several times and you kept dismissing my advice. How's that working out for you?
 

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Old 08-10-2011 | 08:49 AM
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Alloro, When the motor was changed by the dealership, they put in a new water pump. I replaced both idler and tensioner pulleys, swapped out the alternator, threw a new bearing at the a/c compressor and tried the P.S. pump out of the parts van. When the motor was replaced , they used a short block and none of the issues were resolved. I can live with the screaming whistle, but the MPG issue is eating at me. had a '91 B250 extended van with 5.2 and OD that used to give me almost 24 on the highway until it just rusted away.
I noticed the '03 runs 16" tires - since this was the last year for the ram van , Dodge was using up the power train stuff from '02. Is it possible the factory used a diff out of an '02 meant for 15" tires? I haven't gotten around to checking the gear ratio yet- considered pulling the 15's off another van to try it out. Getting the revs up increases my vac and MPG. I'm starting to think anythings possible. Opinion?
 



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