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I only change my oil once per year with a filter change at 6 months. My Dakota has 9 months and 12,000 miles on Amsoil SAE 10w-30 oil. I don't have to worry about the local autoparts store carrying it because I call Amsoil's 800 number and my products are shipped to my front gate in 5 days. I plan ahead and order before I need it.</P>


Some parts stores carry Amsoil but, some prefer not to because they lose money when you come in once per year. They prefer you to change your oil every 3000 miles to keep them in business. Amsoil dealers cannot sell to retail stores that are corporate owned (like Walmart). The store must be a franchise. There are plenty of autoparts stores that do carry Amsoil. </P>


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If you don't have any autoparts stores near you that do sell Amsoil, you should become a dealer and talk them into selling it. You could make some nice commission checks <IMG src=smileys/smiley2.gif border="0">.</P>


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The cost for 8 quarts of Amsoil 10w-30 plus two oil filters for my 4.7 Dakota is $63.00 . This is enough oil for one year with a filter change and oil top off at 6 months. It would cost you 73.00 to start because you would need to sign up as a preferred customer (you save about 25% off of retail) Retail per quart is $5.85, wholesale per quart is 4.55. </P>


Yes Amsoil costs more than Mobil 1 but, I only change my oil once per year as opposed to every 3000 miles or even every 5000 miles. Assuming you change your oil every 5000 miles with Mobil 1, (5 quarts with tax$22.00 plus one oil filter $6.00 = $28.00 per oil change. Multiply that times 3 (15,000 miles total) and your cost is around $84.00 . If you change your oil every3000 miles, your cost for 15,000 miles (with Mobil 1) is $140.00. </P>


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Am I an Amsoil dealer? Yes,</P>


Have I used Mobil 1? Yes</P>


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Here are a couple of links for ya:</P>


http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/amsoil_vs_mobil1.htm</P>


http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/sequence_3f.htm</P>


http://www.amsoil.com/performancetests/g1971/index.html</P>


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Bill,</P>

 

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Why don't automotive manufacturers put this in new car engines, or even recommend the use of it? I know DC puts Mobil 1 in the Viper.</P>


Isn't it overkill? I've seen/owned several vehicles with well over 150K that were run on conventional oil and were still in great shape.</P>


We did use Amsoil in a motorhome. We didn't see an increase in performance, gas mileage, cooler running, etc. over what we found with Mobil 1.</P>


I'm not saying Amsoil isn't good, but it's like taking a 50 cal. machine gun squirrel hunting.</P>


The key to getting your engine to last has always been regular maintenance.</P>

 

mopartodd they also put mobil1 in new corvettes. </P>


&gt;&gt;Some parts stores carry Amsoil but, some prefer not to because they lose money when you come in once per year. They prefer you to change your oil every 3000 miles to keep them in business. Amsoil dealers cannot sell to retail stores that are corporate owned (like Walmart). The store must be a franchise. There are plenty of autoparts stores that do carry Amsoil.&lt;&lt;</P>


That is based on the assumption that I am the only one that buys it right? That argument doesn't seem to hold since there are probably dozens if not hundreds of people changing their oil at any given time and going into the parts store to buy it. In addition I would never change my oil onlyonce a year. Especially if my vehicle was under warranty. I would encourage you to contact any dealer service department and ask them if there would be a problem with warranty issues if you only changed your oil once a year. I just did at my local dealer. First he laughed for a few seconds then said ahh yeah that would create a few problems. Of course he urged me to always bring my vehicles into the dealership for my oil changes. Now out of respect for the original poster I will not turn this into an argument. I know where you are coming from with the amsoil and I have heard many good reviews. I think we have provided ditchdoc with plenty of info to have helped out. Good day all!!</P>

 

I changed my oil today put mobli in man i can tell al ready sound smother.

 

Ditchdoc... what weight oil did you use and what part of the country do you live in?

 

5w 30 I live in Jasper al not very cold or hot mild really

 

This is merely a rebuttal to the warranty issues, not a debate on which oil is better. This is Amsoil's official response to warranty issues that you brought up.

Extended Drain Intervals and Warranties

Q. I have read the NOACK tests and the "3,000 miles oil change" fallacy. I have been using the AMSOIL Series 2000 0W-30 synthetic oil, AMSOIL SDF-29 filter and AMSOIL Air Filter. I have been following directions cleaning and re-using the air filter on a once-a-year basis and changing the oil filter twice a year. I leave the oil in for the full year. That amounts to between 5,000 and 6,500 in the one year period.

I have recently purchased a brand new 2001 Pontiac Grand Am with the 3.4L engine. I also have purchased the GM Factory extended 6/60 warranty. I received the warranty book and read it. Much to my surprise I find the following reference under "Your Responsibilities" in the book:

"YOU must properly maintain the covered VEHICLE which includes, but is not limited to, changing the engine oil at a minimum of every 3,000 miles or as recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. If requested, proof of required service, including receipts and work orders showing date and mileage of the VEHICLE at the time of service must be presented to US in the event of a FAILURE or CLAIM."

Because of this I fear switching to the AMSOIL 0W-30 synthetic oil and oil filter and leaving it in the engine for the full year or 35,000 miles thus risking voiding the factory warranty. Is there anything you can do to contact GM and convince them of the fallacy of the 3,000 mile oil change and convince them to use and recommend AMSOIL synthetic oil in their cars? They are convinced enough to use Havoline "extended" drain interval antifreeze, why won't they see the advantages of AMSOIL synthetic 0W-30 oil?

A. The language in the extended protection plan was written by an insurance company, and is definitely intended to intimidate you into changing your oil every 3,000 miles. They are doing everything they can to try to limit their liability for claims and create “wiggle” room. What’s new!

All of the vehicle OEMs in the U.S. have agreed that a warranty cannot be denied because a customer was using any brand of motor oil at any length drain interval unless an engine failure was directly attributable to the oil or drain interval. For example, if your radio, power steering unit, air conditioner, etc., broke down, they could not void the warranty that covers those items because you were changing your engine oil at 6,500 miles or one year. If it is not an oil related failure, they cannot void the warranty. The law supports this position.

If your engine failed, and the manufacturer denied your warranty for repair due to your using extended drain intervals, then you would submit your claim to the AMSOIL Technical Services Department for handling. (See the AMSOIL Limited Warranty.) Our staff will analyze the oil, and if we are able to provide documentation that proves the source of the problem was other than the oil, and that in turn allows your claim to be processed under the original warranty, then we will. If no proof can be assembled regarding the source of the problem, our insurance adjustor will be dispatched to resolve the claim. A warranty claim being denied because of the use of extended drain intervals is an extremely rare occurrence. That’s because motor oils do not cause engine failures … dirt, glycol and other mechanical problems do.

Ironically, in Europe the auto manufacturers recommended drain intervals are from 12,000-18,000 miles using petroleum products, and are moving even higher. In the U.S., it has been published that auto manufacturers are also going to be moving toward extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the not too distant future. G.M. is currently moving toward a system that tells you when to change your oil based upon a computer program that evaluates your driving habits. Some other car companies are planning on having an on-board oil analyzer to tell you when to change your oil. This will allow for shorter drains for poorer quality oils and longer drains for higher quality oils, where G.M.’s system will not distinguish between the two. As these changes develop, so will the language in owner’s manuals as well as extended warranty policies.

You’ve used our products successfully for 7 years, drive extremely low miles per year, and are following all of our directions for air filter cleaning and oil filter changing. You have our warranty coverage to fall back on in the unlikely event of an engine failure that is not covered by your vehicle warranty. I hope you will not be intimidated by the language in your extended warranty policy and will continue to use the highest quality and best performing products that you can, AMSOIL.




Warranties And API Licensed Motor Oils

Fortunately, the law does not allow manufacturers to "void your warranty" simply because of the brand of oil you use, the specifications it meets or the miles you drive between oil changes. To be specific, they cannot deny to fix your broken radio, faulty valve or cracked piston because you used an AMSOIL non-API licensed motor oil, or because you've gone more than 3000 miles since your last oil change. Denial of warranty coverage must be specifically due to an oil related failure. All courts of law will find against any manufacturer or dealership that tries these warranty shenanigans. If any automobile dealership insinuates that your warranty will be void if you use AMSOIL products or utilize extended drain intervals, let AMSOIL INC. know the name of the Dealership, the address, the owner's name and the name of the employee that made this statement. Mail to:

AMSOIL INC.
Attention: Technical Services Department
AMSOIL Building
Superior, WI 54880

or e-mail to tech@amsoil.com.

They will almost never put it in writing, but if they do, please send us a copy of that, too. Either way, we will send them a letter informing them cease the intimidation of our customers.

Only if the oil is determined to be the direct cause of the engine problem can a manufacturer or dealership deny warranty coverage for that specific problem. In this situation the AMSOIL warranty would apply, and the AMSOIL Technical Services Department would assist you in processing your claim and in getting the vehicle repaired. That's our pledge to you. AMSOIL INC. sells millions of gallons of oil per year and warranty claims are a rare occurrence. If you ever have a warranty problem with an automobile manufacturer or dealership, AMSOIL will assist you by analyzing the problem and providing data supporting the fact that repairs should be made under the vehicle manufacturer's warranty. If this does not resolve the problem, AMSOIL will submit a claim with our insurance company and request that an adjuster have the vehicle repaired and pursue legal settlement later if necessary. The fact is there never has been an engine failure attributed to the non-performance of AMSOIL products, and we do not expect there ever will be. If it ever did, both AMSOIL and our insurance company would make certain your problem was resolved.





Have your dealer put their requirements in writing and show them this:

It has come to our attention that you (or employee's name) have been informing our mutual customers that the use of AMSOIL synthetic motor oil voids your manufacturers' warranty. This claim is not true. Please review the following facts about warranties and AMSOIL synthetic motor oil.

Original equipment manufacturers (OEMs) recommend consumers use lubricants of the proper viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether it's petroleum oil or synthetic, may be used without affecting the overall warranty coverage. OEMs pay or deny warranty claims based on the findings of failure analysis. To affect the vehicle warranty, the lubricant must be directly responsible for the failure. If the oil did not cause the problem the warranty cannot be voided, regardless of the brand of oil used, or the length of time or number of miles the oil was used. To flatly inform the customer that the use of AMSOIL synthetic motor oil voids their vehicle warranty is not true. It is not supported by OEMs and damages AMSOIL INC.

AMSOIL introduced the world's first API rated synthetic motor oil to the automotive public in 1972. Since then, every major motor oil manufacturer has followed AMSOIL's lead and has introduced synthetic oils of their own. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils exceed the most demanding worldwide performance standards. They are specially formulated to provide superior performance and longer service than provided by conventional oils. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils can be installed and used with complete confidence. AMSOIL INC carries liability insurance and offers our customers complete warranty coverage for oil related failures, should one ever occur.

We appreciate your attention to this matter and anticipate there will be no further intimidation of our customers by your insuring no one implies or states that the use of AMSOIL products will "void" vehicle warranties. Thank you.

AMSOIL INC.
Customer Service Division

Cc: Legal Department