Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
ORIGINAL: sandiegohemi
See, a race Titan is different than a stock one. That makes a big difference than one sitting on a dealer lot. The racing Titan is not going to be ANYTHING close to stock.
I'm not sure if you have trouble clicking the links, or if you have never visited Titantalk.com, but there are definitely more than 1% of owners complaining about problems. There is not much to argue on this point, you either know how to click a link and read, or you don't. Can't help ya there.
Hitting 92% percent of your sales goal is good - until you consider the goal in a larger context. Nissan wants to sell 100,000 a year, OR 8,333 a month. It is now year 3, and they are still trying to reach Year 1's goal. Enough said.
Remember the Ram was redesigned in 2002 (body style) and 2003 with the Hemi. Relatively speaking, it is a new truck - engine, transmission, suspension, etc. You do not hear HALF the problems with a Ram as you do a Titan. To deny that is to be blind to the facts. To somehow quote Ford owners problems and say the Nissan has a smaller number of complaints is just plain funny. Of course you will hear more Ford owners with problems, they SELL 10 times the amount of F150's than the Titan. Larger numbers equals larger problems - the law of probability. With that being said, Chevy started the incentives game. Toyota didn't play the incentive game, and they still mopped the floor with the Titan.
Again, you can have your opinion, but I'm still waiting for a convincing counter argument to my 9 questions. You can try and switch the argument to Armada vs Durango, race Titans vs stock Rams, etc. But the bottom line is, stock Titan vs stock Ram is a dead heat. If you want to start a thread about the qualifications of the Armada, feel free to. But so far, the only incorrect info I've heard is about your "mysterious" diesel guru friend who developed a V8 Cummins for the Titan, a 715 rwhp stock drivetrain Titan (which again is funny considering it cannot handle its current stock power), a Titan having a 21 ft/lb torque advantage, etc.
If you think the Titan/Armada are the greatest mechanical inventions of all time, that is your right. And I commend you for carrying the flag of "all proud Nissan owners across the world" and defending them on a Dodge site. However, I would suggest picking on someone else - Toyota. Nissan has to outsell and class their fellow Japanese automaker before they can lay claim to having the best machines on earth.
See, a race Titan is different than a stock one. That makes a big difference than one sitting on a dealer lot. The racing Titan is not going to be ANYTHING close to stock.
I'm not sure if you have trouble clicking the links, or if you have never visited Titantalk.com, but there are definitely more than 1% of owners complaining about problems. There is not much to argue on this point, you either know how to click a link and read, or you don't. Can't help ya there.
Hitting 92% percent of your sales goal is good - until you consider the goal in a larger context. Nissan wants to sell 100,000 a year, OR 8,333 a month. It is now year 3, and they are still trying to reach Year 1's goal. Enough said.
Remember the Ram was redesigned in 2002 (body style) and 2003 with the Hemi. Relatively speaking, it is a new truck - engine, transmission, suspension, etc. You do not hear HALF the problems with a Ram as you do a Titan. To deny that is to be blind to the facts. To somehow quote Ford owners problems and say the Nissan has a smaller number of complaints is just plain funny. Of course you will hear more Ford owners with problems, they SELL 10 times the amount of F150's than the Titan. Larger numbers equals larger problems - the law of probability. With that being said, Chevy started the incentives game. Toyota didn't play the incentive game, and they still mopped the floor with the Titan.
Again, you can have your opinion, but I'm still waiting for a convincing counter argument to my 9 questions. You can try and switch the argument to Armada vs Durango, race Titans vs stock Rams, etc. But the bottom line is, stock Titan vs stock Ram is a dead heat. If you want to start a thread about the qualifications of the Armada, feel free to. But so far, the only incorrect info I've heard is about your "mysterious" diesel guru friend who developed a V8 Cummins for the Titan, a 715 rwhp stock drivetrain Titan (which again is funny considering it cannot handle its current stock power), a Titan having a 21 ft/lb torque advantage, etc.
If you think the Titan/Armada are the greatest mechanical inventions of all time, that is your right. And I commend you for carrying the flag of "all proud Nissan owners across the world" and defending them on a Dodge site. However, I would suggest picking on someone else - Toyota. Nissan has to outsell and class their fellow Japanese automaker before they can lay claim to having the best machines on earth.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
ORIGINAL: 92TripleBlack
From reading your points, I for some reason keep thinking even a broken clock is right twice a day. Not sure why as you haven't been right yet. Obviously you won't give on your position, nor will I. I haven't asked for verification, but I've given you what you ask for. I showed you a Titan with stock internals making 715hp. Did you show me a Hemi doing anything over 400Hp with a stock crank? I told you about my buddy, who also worked on the Viper. He told me about the Cummins last Feb. I showed you how many problems you have. You denied it. I quoted your thread pointed out about the rears. Less than 1% have had problems. I showed you how the other problems and reports are indiciative of only '04, pre changes that have fixed the problems. You ignored this. Its like Kennedy and Bush arguing the same point. It doesn't matter what it is, they will always disagree. I didn't think I'd convince you, just that I'd clear up some errors, misconceptions, and etc. I feel I've done that. I'm bordering on being a troll, which I'm not. I was simply correctly refuting your inaccurate bash. Enjoy your forum and your truck. Good luck with it. Back to trying to wipe my Nissan loving smile off my face. Sweeeeet.
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...yone-else.html
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...ghlight=brakes
ORIGINAL: sandiegohemi
See, a race Titan is different than a stock one. That makes a big difference than one sitting on a dealer lot. The racing Titan is not going to be ANYTHING close to stock.
I'm not sure if you have trouble clicking the links, or if you have never visited Titantalk.com, but there are definitely more than 1% of owners complaining about problems. There is not much to argue on this point, you either know how to click a link and read, or you don't. Can't help ya there.
Hitting 92% percent of your sales goal is good - until you consider the goal in a larger context. Nissan wants to sell 100,000 a year, OR 8,333 a month. It is now year 3, and they are still trying to reach Year 1's goal. Enough said.
Remember the Ram was redesigned in 2002 (body style) and 2003 with the Hemi. Relatively speaking, it is a new truck - engine, transmission, suspension, etc. You do not hear HALF the problems with a Ram as you do a Titan. To deny that is to be blind to the facts. To somehow quote Ford owners problems and say the Nissan has a smaller number of complaints is just plain funny. Of course you will hear more Ford owners with problems, they SELL 10 times the amount of F150's than the Titan. Larger numbers equals larger problems - the law of probability. With that being said, Chevy started the incentives game. Toyota didn't play the incentive game, and they still mopped the floor with the Titan.
Again, you can have your opinion, but I'm still waiting for a convincing counter argument to my 9 questions. You can try and switch the argument to Armada vs Durango, race Titans vs stock Rams, etc. But the bottom line is, stock Titan vs stock Ram is a dead heat. If you want to start a thread about the qualifications of the Armada, feel free to. But so far, the only incorrect info I've heard is about your "mysterious" diesel guru friend who developed a V8 Cummins for the Titan, a 715 rwhp stock drivetrain Titan (which again is funny considering it cannot handle its current stock power), a Titan having a 21 ft/lb torque advantage, etc.
If you think the Titan/Armada are the greatest mechanical inventions of all time, that is your right. And I commend you for carrying the flag of "all proud Nissan owners across the world" and defending them on a Dodge site. However, I would suggest picking on someone else - Toyota. Nissan has to outsell and class their fellow Japanese automaker before they can lay claim to having the best machines on earth.
See, a race Titan is different than a stock one. That makes a big difference than one sitting on a dealer lot. The racing Titan is not going to be ANYTHING close to stock.
I'm not sure if you have trouble clicking the links, or if you have never visited Titantalk.com, but there are definitely more than 1% of owners complaining about problems. There is not much to argue on this point, you either know how to click a link and read, or you don't. Can't help ya there.
Hitting 92% percent of your sales goal is good - until you consider the goal in a larger context. Nissan wants to sell 100,000 a year, OR 8,333 a month. It is now year 3, and they are still trying to reach Year 1's goal. Enough said.
Remember the Ram was redesigned in 2002 (body style) and 2003 with the Hemi. Relatively speaking, it is a new truck - engine, transmission, suspension, etc. You do not hear HALF the problems with a Ram as you do a Titan. To deny that is to be blind to the facts. To somehow quote Ford owners problems and say the Nissan has a smaller number of complaints is just plain funny. Of course you will hear more Ford owners with problems, they SELL 10 times the amount of F150's than the Titan. Larger numbers equals larger problems - the law of probability. With that being said, Chevy started the incentives game. Toyota didn't play the incentive game, and they still mopped the floor with the Titan.
Again, you can have your opinion, but I'm still waiting for a convincing counter argument to my 9 questions. You can try and switch the argument to Armada vs Durango, race Titans vs stock Rams, etc. But the bottom line is, stock Titan vs stock Ram is a dead heat. If you want to start a thread about the qualifications of the Armada, feel free to. But so far, the only incorrect info I've heard is about your "mysterious" diesel guru friend who developed a V8 Cummins for the Titan, a 715 rwhp stock drivetrain Titan (which again is funny considering it cannot handle its current stock power), a Titan having a 21 ft/lb torque advantage, etc.
If you think the Titan/Armada are the greatest mechanical inventions of all time, that is your right. And I commend you for carrying the flag of "all proud Nissan owners across the world" and defending them on a Dodge site. However, I would suggest picking on someone else - Toyota. Nissan has to outsell and class their fellow Japanese automaker before they can lay claim to having the best machines on earth.
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...yone-else.html
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/tita...ghlight=brakes
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
This is probably one of the most exciting threads I've participated in. Although it is frustrating when you don't answer my questions. It is STATISTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE for only 1% of Titans to have problems. That would fall within the margin of error for ANY sample. Which, according to your stats, could technically mean NO Titans had problems - which we all know isn't the case. Again, your "stats" are rebuked by cold hard facts. Or, maybe you missed that class in grade school . . . remember statistics? Or did you know go that far?
By stock internals on a 715 rwhp Titan, are you referring to the 10W Soy Sauce oil it uses or the fortune cookie transfer case? Because that engine, in STOCK FORM, cannot handle that much power. Thats like saying a stock Ford Taurus engine is used in Nascar . . . just that it puts out 850 hp. Ain't happening.
So, your buddy, worked on the Viper, developed a V8 Cummins diesel EXCLUSIVELY for the Titan, and what, does he flutter around on wings and sprinkle pixy dust? GIVE ME A BREAK. There are not any misconceptions about the Titan, people know it has a good powerplant. I know that. Most people on here know it. But unlike you, we can see it is a CHEAP vehicle. Do me a favor, go to a Nissan dealer, touch and feel the plastics, close the doors - and note how the body panel shakes, be careful not to rub the "Nissan" logo on the steering wheel too hard because the cheap plastic film will rub off, then go look at a Dodge. You may not buy a Ram, but you'll see the build quality difference.
And since you are an "esteemed" poser, I mean poster, on Titantalk.com, I'd expect you'd see all the people posting, "Why does my rear end shake?" "3rd set of new brakes" "My doors locked shut during a snow storm" "I hear a rattling underneath the hood" etc. The Titan forum is the ONLY one I know of that has more people requesting help with problems than bragging. The ONLY one. Why Titan owners put up with their truck in the shop for 60 days, or multiple breaks replacements (YES EVEN ON THE SUPPOSED FIX NISSAN GAVE THE DEALERS), I will never know. Maybe Nissan owners just expect less from their vehicles.
By stock internals on a 715 rwhp Titan, are you referring to the 10W Soy Sauce oil it uses or the fortune cookie transfer case? Because that engine, in STOCK FORM, cannot handle that much power. Thats like saying a stock Ford Taurus engine is used in Nascar . . . just that it puts out 850 hp. Ain't happening.
So, your buddy, worked on the Viper, developed a V8 Cummins diesel EXCLUSIVELY for the Titan, and what, does he flutter around on wings and sprinkle pixy dust? GIVE ME A BREAK. There are not any misconceptions about the Titan, people know it has a good powerplant. I know that. Most people on here know it. But unlike you, we can see it is a CHEAP vehicle. Do me a favor, go to a Nissan dealer, touch and feel the plastics, close the doors - and note how the body panel shakes, be careful not to rub the "Nissan" logo on the steering wheel too hard because the cheap plastic film will rub off, then go look at a Dodge. You may not buy a Ram, but you'll see the build quality difference.
And since you are an "esteemed" poser, I mean poster, on Titantalk.com, I'd expect you'd see all the people posting, "Why does my rear end shake?" "3rd set of new brakes" "My doors locked shut during a snow storm" "I hear a rattling underneath the hood" etc. The Titan forum is the ONLY one I know of that has more people requesting help with problems than bragging. The ONLY one. Why Titan owners put up with their truck in the shop for 60 days, or multiple breaks replacements (YES EVEN ON THE SUPPOSED FIX NISSAN GAVE THE DEALERS), I will never know. Maybe Nissan owners just expect less from their vehicles.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
Come on 92TripleBlack, come back and play You were a Titan Troll for 2 days, then you just up and leave when the argument gets good?
Well, after reading your posts again, I came to one realization (well more than one, but only one I can write in here): while your intentions seemed good, your arguing techniques came up short. Let me summarize:
Dodge owner (me): The Titan has a good powerplant, but lacks refinement and quality.
Nissan boy (you): Well stillen.com shows the Titan sending 21 ft/lbs torque more to wheels than a Hemi.
Dodge owner: Well I show several other stock dyno runs showing the opposite.
Nissan boy: Well a race Titan can handle 715 hp.
Dodge owner: The Titan has issues with its breaks, rear end, and overall quality.
Nissan boy: Only 1% of Titan owners report problems.
Dodge owner: Then why do so many Titantalk.com subscribers complain of problems?
Nissan boy: Only 1%. Oh yeah, my buddy invented the Cummins V8 going in the Titan.
Dodge owner: Why do I see Titan owners with 2004, 2005, and 2006's reporting problems?
Nissan boy: 715 rwhp.
Dodge owner: Why hasn't the Titan sold more?
Nissan boy: We sold 92% of our initial goal. Oh yeah, did I mention the Titan race truck with 715 hp? My buddy worked on the Viper.
Dodge owner: Please answer my questions.
Nissan boy: World class, um yeah, only 2004's, Ford owners report more problems, I'm not a troll - I just look that way. Yeah, um, 715 hp, yeah its stock. Hmm, I forgot to mention I don't own a Titan. Yeah, I gotta wipe the Nissan loving grin off my face - oh wait - that just my constipated look. Sorry.
The final word - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...olumnist_levin
The author wrote "Mess from Mississippi
Jim Hall of AutoPacific Inc., an automotive consulting firm, called Titan a ``mess.' Nissan made the mistake of starting production of the new model at a new plant in Canton, Mississippi, with a relatively unskilled workforce. The result was production delays and quality problems, he said.
Titans are sitting an average of 102 days on dealer lots prior to sale, according to J.D. Power. Sales in November fell 27 percent from a year earlier."
Gotta love Titan trolls. I think I got rid of this one for good though.
You were a Titan Troll for 2 days, then you just up and leave when the argument gets good?Well, after reading your posts again, I came to one realization (well more than one, but only one I can write in here): while your intentions seemed good, your arguing techniques came up short. Let me summarize:
Dodge owner (me): The Titan has a good powerplant, but lacks refinement and quality.
Nissan boy (you): Well stillen.com shows the Titan sending 21 ft/lbs torque more to wheels than a Hemi.
Dodge owner: Well I show several other stock dyno runs showing the opposite.
Nissan boy: Well a race Titan can handle 715 hp.
Dodge owner: The Titan has issues with its breaks, rear end, and overall quality.
Nissan boy: Only 1% of Titan owners report problems.
Dodge owner: Then why do so many Titantalk.com subscribers complain of problems?
Nissan boy: Only 1%. Oh yeah, my buddy invented the Cummins V8 going in the Titan.
Dodge owner: Why do I see Titan owners with 2004, 2005, and 2006's reporting problems?
Nissan boy: 715 rwhp.
Dodge owner: Why hasn't the Titan sold more?
Nissan boy: We sold 92% of our initial goal. Oh yeah, did I mention the Titan race truck with 715 hp? My buddy worked on the Viper.
Dodge owner: Please answer my questions.
Nissan boy: World class, um yeah, only 2004's, Ford owners report more problems, I'm not a troll - I just look that way. Yeah, um, 715 hp, yeah its stock. Hmm, I forgot to mention I don't own a Titan. Yeah, I gotta wipe the Nissan loving grin off my face - oh wait - that just my constipated look. Sorry.
The final word - http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...olumnist_levin
The author wrote "Mess from Mississippi
Jim Hall of AutoPacific Inc., an automotive consulting firm, called Titan a ``mess.' Nissan made the mistake of starting production of the new model at a new plant in Canton, Mississippi, with a relatively unskilled workforce. The result was production delays and quality problems, he said.
Titans are sitting an average of 102 days on dealer lots prior to sale, according to J.D. Power. Sales in November fell 27 percent from a year earlier."
Gotta love Titan trolls. I think I got rid of this one for good though.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
I've read this before. I think they will get a diesel eventually, but it won't be a Cummins (as some Titan troll mentioned earlier). But putting a diesel in a Titan brings up a lot of issues. The greatest thing is the potential sales. The half ton, with a good powerplant, isn't turning the market upside with sales. So, how would a heavy duty Titan fair with a new diesel, in a platform with a sketchy - albiet new - history? I don't know.
I can definitely see a day coming when diesels (maybe with lower output than their 3/4 ton counterparts), are offered in half-ton trim. It makes sense. If I had a choice of getting a lower output Cummins, say with 500 lbs/torque, I'd have definitely chosen it over the Hemi.
I can definitely see a day coming when diesels (maybe with lower output than their 3/4 ton counterparts), are offered in half-ton trim. It makes sense. If I had a choice of getting a lower output Cummins, say with 500 lbs/torque, I'd have definitely chosen it over the Hemi.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
bla bla bla... thats what I read when I see the Titan trolls lurking here and spitting BS... truth be told... go look at http://www.nhtsa.gov and start searching around in there for the complaints versus recalls on the titans and the 1500 rams. For 2005 there are 42 complaints for the 1500 4-dr ram, but yet there are 58 for the titan, but yet as he was saying this was the year that they fixed everything and that now its a perfect truck... right. Amazing, none of those owners must be a member at his little geek-talk titanic pile of BS forum.
I have test driven Titans on several occasions and the one thing that sticks out in my mind is the amount that the bed jiggles when hitting bumps. What good is it to be able to carry a heavy load in the bed of your truck if it jiggles so bad it could practically throw your stuff right out. Next time your on a bumpy road following a titan, check out how much the bed moves around and then come back and talk about what a great truck it is titan-boys. At least the bed on my ram is as solid as the cab is.
And also... in order for Nissan to put a diesel of any sort into a titan they will have to completely redesign the frame and suspension so it doesnt twist it like a pretzel. Remember back in 1994-5 when the Dodge Ram got the Cummins in it and they were tweaking frames right and left because people were using them at their rated towing capacity and the motors were stronger than the frames(gotta luv that cummins!)
But as for Nissan getting the Cummins, wont matter anyway... the BlueTec diesel thats replacing it in the Rams is more powerful, has more torque and will be one of if not the most efficient and cleanest running in the world. Now its about being the biggest and the baddest all while saving the world at the same time.
I have test driven Titans on several occasions and the one thing that sticks out in my mind is the amount that the bed jiggles when hitting bumps. What good is it to be able to carry a heavy load in the bed of your truck if it jiggles so bad it could practically throw your stuff right out. Next time your on a bumpy road following a titan, check out how much the bed moves around and then come back and talk about what a great truck it is titan-boys. At least the bed on my ram is as solid as the cab is.
And also... in order for Nissan to put a diesel of any sort into a titan they will have to completely redesign the frame and suspension so it doesnt twist it like a pretzel. Remember back in 1994-5 when the Dodge Ram got the Cummins in it and they were tweaking frames right and left because people were using them at their rated towing capacity and the motors were stronger than the frames(gotta luv that cummins!)
But as for Nissan getting the Cummins, wont matter anyway... the BlueTec diesel thats replacing it in the Rams is more powerful, has more torque and will be one of if not the most efficient and cleanest running in the world. Now its about being the biggest and the baddest all while saving the world at the same time.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
The Titan is flimsy. Ford has a site called "truthabouttrucks.com." It is funny when they tear apart a Titan and you can see how flimsy it is. They use an adhesive path on the fenders as added support!
If you really want a good laugh, go to titantalk.com and see what they are saying about the new Tundra. Can you say no backbone? The Tundra isn't even out yet, and a lot of them are considering trading in their Titans. But then again, if I was them, I'd trade it in too lol.
My problem isn't so much with the truck, its with the people that drive it.
If you really want a good laugh, go to titantalk.com and see what they are saying about the new Tundra. Can you say no backbone? The Tundra isn't even out yet, and a lot of them are considering trading in their Titans. But then again, if I was them, I'd trade it in too lol.
My problem isn't so much with the truck, its with the people that drive it.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
The Titan troll - 92TripleBlack - we had on here is also a troll on the Ford site!
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/sh...2&page=2&pp=12
What a loser.
http://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/sh...2&page=2&pp=12
What a loser.
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RE: Nissan Titan Secret Shopper
man and look what he says there in that link
WHAT? Did he say that that the Titan and the Ford are "just as durable"... Alrighty then and I thought he had a higher regard for his Nissan product than that! Somehow I cant imagine a Ford truck as luxurious either.
As an Armada owner, I agree. Nissan put its money in the drivetrain. Ford in the interior. Both have merrits, can tow the same, will be just as durable, etc. Just depends of you want speed or luxury.