UMM what are we talking about again???[sm=bicker.gif][sm=icon_beat.gif]

 

its because america loves the cavalier...and thats all it really is...

 

ok

 

dude dont underestimate the cobalt

 

hmmm where should i start? Maybe, first answering why im bringing a old thread to life? because in searching for a saleen s7 setup for forza i came upon this site which was ragging on a saleen focus, they knew nothing about. Or just because i had to put a stop to morons thoughts, at any rate, things should be said and done...so here i am.

Price:
Dodge srt-4, $21,295 (base), Saleen, $25,999(full price)

why pay for something if it cant beat a base srt-4 is what i hear alot of whinners complaining about in this thread. Well, besides straight line performance, in which once the nos is turned on the focus could run away with anyways, is not the point, whats the point is the focus saleen is all about pureperformance, whats that you ask? how about a balanced performance sheet, along with moderate straight line the focus totally blows the srt-4 out of the water when you TURN. 64mph compared to 69mph in a salom is a huge difference, one quite notable on a track, especially a auto-x track where hp is not the answer to top times.

SRT-4 also comes with 17x6 rims, not the exact size to put nice performance tires on, the saleen comes with 17x7's something abit nicer, and WIDER, yes a inch does make that much of a difference.

also do you know what it would cost to put a custom racecraft style suspension on a srt-4? try more than a grand, something you get standard on the saleen.

Warranty? Saleen provides their own warranty, 3yrs 36kmiles, that includes nitrous system, yes the nitrous doesnt void your warranty like you morons WANT to think. Saleen is a car manufactuer by the us federal government and as such has to offer many things that normal tuners dont even care about, thats including crash testing each vehicle they make.

Aero package, and yes saleen does theoretically test their body kits to offer track performance not just looks, something the average run of the mill tuners wont even care about, unless your trying to produce a 200mph veilside sorta thing.

To the Ford haters, thats kewl if you hate ford, they probably hate you anyhow :P, but at anyrate, just like the other person said, there will always be somebody faster....about mustangs breaking or being ricers with more cylinders...man before you can use the word ryce, you must first know what it means. Mustangs will break, but there is many more modded mustangs and parts for mustangs than there ever will be for any other car that is currently in production, end of story, and no crappy lights etc doesnt count i mean performance parts. It takes alot less to make a ford mustang go fast than a civic or dodge etc to go fast.

Also dont hate the ford engines, there are ford zetec engines making 250hp NA tuned running on pump gas, and the bore stroke sizes arent even touched its still a 2.0L

Its ok not to like ford, saleen, etc. But dont be idiots, there is a reason saleen has been around since the 80's and currently makes the worlds fastest production car (S7 TT). And there is also a reason why the Ford GT's are built at the saleen factory, another world class car only beaten by a few, most out of production few.

Now on the Lightning retard statement. No it doesnt release it into the engine, it releases it into the intercooler. Since you know about epa regs, then you would probably know how a car works, Colder air is denser, offering more air per cubic inch, meaning if i want more air i just cool it down, and walla without adding anything but cold air you get more POWER, and depending on how cold you can get it the more power you can get. By releasing a specially cooled tank, one that is cooled by the AC, and in fact i think its normal air at that, its cooled to temperatures far lower than your engine bay/enging manifold which regularly reach 100+ degrees, a sudden change of air temp say at 60 degrees or the like means big HP gain, And thats what the lightning does, it cools the air, doesnt shoot anything into it or burn anything special, it just COOLS IT.

Now what did we learn? lol

srt-4 to match what the saleen could do? probably a good 27k+, thats more expensive than the saleen that tops at 26k...so where is your agurment?

 

The mustang is not in the same class and you can't compare em to the viper or vette unless you take in the price consideration. You have an 85,000 price tag on the viper to get the performance they offer The corvette still gives you the best bang for your buck at 65k and the new mustang can be had for roughly 25-28k. The viper would impress me more if they could match the price on the vette. The only problem I saw with the mustang is that ford rode the name into the ground promising performance, but only after you spent the money on the "upgrades". Driving my friends Mustang GT was so boring I was happy to go back to my little hyundai. I was turned on to the SRT-4 by the fact that off the dealer lot you had a car fun to drive for great price and lives up to it's performance promise. Being able to mod and upgrade from there is just icing on the cake in my book.

 

Your grandfather's name wasn't Henry, was it?

 

holy old thread batman....dont get what you are tryin to say (Naysayers) this was a svt vs. srt thread...not really understanding the common ground you are tryin to lay here elitewolverine. The saleen N20 Focus is a waste of time...for 3000 dollars you could have a 400 whp srt and still not be spending 26000 dollars vs the Baby Bottle in the back of the Zetec powered focus. Dont get me wrong they can be moderately fast but If I were to buy one to mod it wouldnt be w/ nitrous. And there are srts w/ 17x7 rims out there. The only thing I hated about the SRT is that they dont have a coupe but that really doesnt bother me. I have a gen 1 r/t and auto crossing w/ that would spank the focus. You show me a 400 Hp turbo Focus and ill show you a 10000 dollar upgrade...you show me a 400 hp Supercharged focus and ill show you the 4500 dollar upgrade show me a 400 whp srt and ill show you what 3000 dollars of bolt -ons can do on a dodge car that doesnt need a bottle to kick your *** and cost less to do it. All of what you said was heresay, none of it matters you dont see SVT focus constantly battling SRT-4 nor do you buy a 26000 car w/ nitrous for any other reason then to look stupid b/c of all the upgrades ford could do why would they throw a M'F-ing bottle in the back of it and call it an elite performance car. When you have turbocharged and supercharged cars out there for the same or lesser cost getting it done and you have to pay to refill a bottle to get the job done time and time again. By the time youve gone out and wasted money on high octane gas and nitrous those forced induction charged cars will have upgrades that yours couldnt possibly keep up w/ without considerable changes in your motor and thousands of dollars later. If your going to buy a Focus car to race buy a stock SVT and do your own bolt-ons and engine Mods and worry about nitrous when you are racing a V-8 on the bottle in a straight line. Until you can show me what advantage this car has over any ss or srt, I wont be changing my mind.

 

First off I have to correct your odd base price for the SRT-4 (a car you obviously know nothing about), the '03 was $19,999 and the '04-'05 was 20,999.

Here again you show your lack of knowledge, this time with both cars. It was established with fact at the beginning of this thread that the Saleen N20 Focus while spraying is still slower than the SRT-4.

Here you kill your own argument since your trying to justify the Focus' higher price. There is a $4,000 - $5,000 difference between them and using only 1/4 - 1/3 of that would easily bump up the suspension on the SRT-4 to more than make up that difference. The wheel size has been mentioned before and we're all disappointed with that. The ACR version comes with 16 X 7 as well as a better suspension.

This is where you right and wrong at the same time. The Mustang does have far more parts available and at less cost. However, though the parts are more expensive it takes far less to make a Mopar beat the Mustang/Fords. Mopars have more power and potential to begin with and respond far better to mods.

So. There are N/A Neon's with stock block 2.0L DOHC engines making more than that as well as GM's with 2.2L ECOTEC's.

Here again, wrong. The Bugatti Veyron is the current fastest production car in the world. The Ford GT was beaten by the Viper at first, then Ford had to add another 50 horsepower to it just to beat the Viper which is less than half the GT's price.

And yet again you astound us with your lack of knowledge. You could upgrade the suspension and wheels for less than the price difference between the SRT-4 and the Focus. That's still less than the Saleen....so where's YOUR arguement?

I think you need to step away from your videogame and it's virtual world and join the reality of the real world. Here in the REAL world the SRT-4 is simply the better buy and the better performer per dollar.

 

yeah, it DOES have a huge wing on it, and i bet it does alot to give the back end more traction even tho its FWD//////