question front wheel drive!
Champion
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RE: question front wheel drive!
yea, i think he's confusing n/a and stock.
stock is how the car rolls off the production line at the factory. doesn't matter if it's turboed, s/c, or n/a. it's stock if you haven't modified it and that's how it was built. what i think you're trying to get at is that there are possibly other n/a motors that can come close to an srt as far as performance goes. i don't really agree with that as far as stock cars go however. modified, sure.
and btw - not any moron can go but a kit for a 2.4L and make it an srt-4
stock is how the car rolls off the production line at the factory. doesn't matter if it's turboed, s/c, or n/a. it's stock if you haven't modified it and that's how it was built. what i think you're trying to get at is that there are possibly other n/a motors that can come close to an srt as far as performance goes. i don't really agree with that as far as stock cars go however. modified, sure.
and btw - not any moron can go but a kit for a 2.4L and make it an srt-4
Record Breaker
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RE: question front wheel drive!
ORIGINAL: DevilsReject
I didnt contradict myself, I simply listed cars that were FWD and could be as fast as the SRT-4. I NEVER, NEVER stated that they werent supercharged or turbo'd in any of my statements. I think you should read before you accuse me of contradicting myself. You are absolutely correct that those cars are. However, the GXP is not just a performance package, its an altogether different engine. It's a 5.3L V8. Same that comes in the Monte Carlo and one or two other cars. NON Supercharged I MIGHT add.
Yes, I probably should use NA for this. I apologize for the misunderstanding. As far as performance packages go.....you are correct also. I do not care about engine sizes, because if its a 4cyl or a V8 they still can both lose.
I didnt contradict myself, I simply listed cars that were FWD and could be as fast as the SRT-4. I NEVER, NEVER stated that they werent supercharged or turbo'd in any of my statements. I think you should read before you accuse me of contradicting myself. You are absolutely correct that those cars are. However, the GXP is not just a performance package, its an altogether different engine. It's a 5.3L V8. Same that comes in the Monte Carlo and one or two other cars. NON Supercharged I MIGHT add.
Yes, I probably should use NA for this. I apologize for the misunderstanding. As far as performance packages go.....you are correct also. I do not care about engine sizes, because if its a 4cyl or a V8 they still can both lose.
In your re-edit you put in under 24,000. and that you wouldn't argue if that was the category.
So - what is faster that costs more?
On reading before I accuse...-I did. You said that you meant cars that aren't performance package, but you cited ones that were.
Also - like PSI Chick said, not anyone can just go and buy a std. 2.4 and throw a turbo on it. Think sideways truck tranny, major electrical work, intercooler, ... It would cost you a lot of money and time to create a turbo 2.4 with this performance AND reliability AND durability.
Noob Assassin
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RE: question front wheel drive!
To go one step further......here's a couple other cars that held, or could still hold the Fastest FWD car produced. Mind you...some of these cars are 10 yrs old and given some minor upgrades to "match" the SRT-4, might be able to match it.
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5 FWD/AWD
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2 FWD/AWD
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7 <-=-=-i believe this to be FWD, but it may relate to the AWD
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5 FWD/AWD
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2 FWD/AWD
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7 <-=-=-i believe this to be FWD, but it may relate to the AWD
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RE: question front wheel drive!
ORIGINAL: DevilsReject
To go one step further......here's a couple other cars that held, or could still hold the Fastest FWD car produced. Mind you...some of these cars are 10 yrs old and given some minor upgrades to "match" the SRT-4, might be able to match it.
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7 <-=-=-i believe this to be FWD, but it may relate to the AWD
1998 Lexus GS 400 5.8 14.3
2002 Lexus GS 430 5.8 14.3 (Lexus.com)
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)
To go one step further......here's a couple other cars that held, or could still hold the Fastest FWD car produced. Mind you...some of these cars are 10 yrs old and given some minor upgrades to "match" the SRT-4, might be able to match it.
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7 <-=-=-i believe this to be FWD, but it may relate to the AWD
1998 Lexus GS 400 5.8 14.3
2002 Lexus GS 430 5.8 14.3 (Lexus.com)
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)
The srt-4 beats the eclipse. So - where are all those FWD cars over 24,000 that are faster?
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RE: question front wheel drive!
PSIChick: Any moron CAN slap on a turbo kit, didnt say it would be worth his while though 
You are right though, it's not worth it when you can buy a car with the kit on it straight out the gate. I tend to view stock as being a normal production model that isnt turbo'd or supercharged. So maybe I am confused and if so, I apologize.
I will however say this, how is a car stock, when it has some aftermarket parts put into the vehicle? Like I said, its just my own personal opinion.
You are right though, it's not worth it when you can buy a car with the kit on it straight out the gate. I tend to view stock as being a normal production model that isnt turbo'd or supercharged. So maybe I am confused and if so, I apologize. I will however say this, how is a car stock, when it has some aftermarket parts put into the vehicle? Like I said, its just my own personal opinion.
Captain
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RE: question front wheel drive!
ORIGINAL: DevilsReject
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7 <-=-=-i believe this to be FWD, but it may relate to the AWD
1998 Lexus GS 400 5.8 14.3
2002 Lexus GS 430 5.8 14.3 (Lexus.com)
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)
2006 Mitsubishi Eclipse GT 5.8 14.4
1991 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 6.0 14.5
1992 Dodge Stealth R/T Turbo 5.7 14.2
1996 Cadillac STS 6.4 14.7
1998 Jaguar XJR 5.2 13.7 <-=-=-i believe this to be FWD, but it may relate to the AWD
1998 Lexus GS 400 5.8 14.3
2002 Lexus GS 430 5.8 14.3 (Lexus.com)
1991 Mazda RX-7 Infini IV 7.0 14.9
1993 Mazda RX-7 5.5 14.0
1993 Mazda RX-7 R1 5.3 13.9
1994 Mazda RX-7 5.3 14.0
1994 Mazda RX-7 Touring 6.0 14.5 (auto)
1995 Mazda RX-7 R2 5.0 14.0
2004 Mazda RX-8 5.8 14.49 (6 speed) (MT Mar '04)
1992 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.7 14.2
1993 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.2 13.8
1994 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 6.0 14.4
1995 Nissan 300ZX Turbo 5.5 13.9
2003 Nissan 350z 5.4 14.1
2004 Nissan 350z Roadster 5.7 14.3
2004 Nissan 350Z 5.3 13.77 (M.T. Mar '04)
2005 Nissan 350Z 35th Anniversary Edition 6 Speed 5.8 14.3 (C&D Apr '05)
Captain
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RE: question front wheel drive!
ORIGINAL: DevilsReject
PSIChick: Any moron CAN slap on a turbo kit, didnt say it would be worth his while though You are right though, it's not worth it when you can buy a car with the kit on it straight out the gate. I tend to view stock as being a normal production model that isnt turbo'd or supercharged. So maybe I am confused and if so, I apologize.
I will however say this, how is a car stock, when it has some aftermarket parts put into the vehicle? Like I said, its just my own personal opinion.
PSIChick: Any moron CAN slap on a turbo kit, didnt say it would be worth his while though
You are right though, it's not worth it when you can buy a car with the kit on it straight out the gate. I tend to view stock as being a normal production model that isnt turbo'd or supercharged. So maybe I am confused and if so, I apologize. I will however say this, how is a car stock, when it has some aftermarket parts put into the vehicle? Like I said, its just my own personal opinion.
