Hey Jaball77,

One more question (unless or until you post something else that makes me ask more): Why are you here?

- You're not an SRT-4 owner.

- You dislike Neons.

Given the above, what possible reason can you have to even look at this forum? Could it be that you're a friend of Gary Howell and he needed some support?

Do tell.

 

no i think he saw another srt owner making a jack *** out of him self and had to be there...

 

Not only have I never taken my car to the strip, I never will. The point, which I don't expect you to get, is that the numbers presented provide a baseline for the vast majority of people, like me, who only drive on the street.

Tell me Gump, would YOU drop another 20K on mods if you thought your 1/4 was only gonna get a half second better? Maybe you would but only if you're an idiot.

Bull****. He DOES have to prove his claims if he wants to sell me anything. That should be your attitude (and his) as well. If not, I've got some really great waterfront real estate down in New Orleans I think you'll just love...

Once again, I'm not someone who'll bother w/ the track. I use my car day-to-day on the street and that's where I want it to perform. At some point I'll find a country road and explore it's limits but that's the exception, not the rule. You like to drag race... bully for you. It's YOUR posted info and people like you that provide track times for me. I'll happily let you trash your car for my benefit. Thanks, Gump, and keep up the good work.
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I can't believe there's more than one person that doesn't get it. I'd use smaller words but I'm not sure that'll help so I'll just try different ones.

See Jane drive a fast car.

See Jane driver a FASTER car.

If Jane likes fast cars, WHICH car will Jane prefer?

FWD, AWD, RWD... it doesn't goddamn matter! What matters is which one gets to the finish line fastest, right? Since most of us are concerned about cost it's really good if that's as low as possible soooooooooooooooooo

the best combo of speed and cheap is best, right? If you agree, the winner wasn't the Gary Howell SRT-4.

 

Hey Gump,

You're acting just like the RSX fanboys... can't handle the fact that your dream car isn't the end-all, be-all?

Look in the mirror, look at your car and realize your perception is just a phony as the **** on the girl in your signature.

 

well ill answer these in order... no i wouldnt put 20k in this car for .5 seconds. but if i put 5k in id shave off about 2.5 seconds and if that was important to me id do it gladly. your info is way off. Garys car would walk yours like you were riding a bike... just cause he didnt put down a 11 second quarter (which he can on drs and change his camber and o yeah go to an actual strip) doesnt mean a 450+hp neon is a 13.4 second car. shows ingnorance again...


since gary doesnt make the parts on his car i dont think he has to prove anything... there are numerous vendors with hundreds of parts you can pick from. if what car and driver mag says is that important then you would be that same guy that you are trying to make jaball77.


okay for your 3rd comment just go ahead and throw out what each car was made for and all the mods each person had since you cant seem to grasp different types of racing and put your stock car against a stock evo... guess what jane (you) will loose in every event, so if its that simple why did you buy the slower car?


haha sorry dude but your comment about a dream car is stupid imo... not to knock anyone here that this car is there dream car but its not even close in my book. i drive a neon and have no problems with that. i personally would rather spend a little less on a car and be able to buy the new house i just bought. I used to own one of my dream cars but sold it for reasons to better my life. Those who know me here would know what car im talking about (520hp 95 3000gt vr4) O and a tit is real enough if it can go in my mouth...

 

Okay, now you're just being a tool. This test wasn't a "bang for the buck" test. It was a test of which tuner could build the bad-assinest 4-cylinder cars. Did you see a spot on those results for price? Me neither. But if there was... The Howell car WOULD HAVE WON. It was CHEAPER than everything else that finished, faster than the FWD field, and faster than half the RWD/AWD field. How is that not winning?!

That said, if you want to go fast for cheap, then you shouldn't be looking at front wheel drive cars in the first place. There are some interesting recipes for cheap speed, and none of them involve FWD 4-cylinder cars, IMO.

Check out GrassRootsMotorsports's $2005 challenge. THAT's a contest where there are no rules, and price matters.

I'll settle your question for you... Go buy an Evo and bother the guys at evolutionm.net. Actually... If you're honestly having a hard time deciding between a Neon and an Evo, then I don't think you deserve to drive either one. I have a Dodge Colt Vista wagon you can have for free...

Oh, and I have driven an SRT-4. It was a first year car without LSD. When I said "about every incarnation of Neon" that included the SRT-4. No matter how much you argue, the SRT-4 IS a Neon. Sorry.

 

*DING* A friend of mine that drives an SRT-4 linked me to this thread and I just had to jump in. It's not like I have anything better to do on a Saturday night. :-)

I don't have any ties to Howell, but you gotta respect the guy. I mean, going from DNF to first place is pretty damn impressive.

 

Jeezusss! And you say I'm obtuse... How about you wake the eff up? I never said the test was bang-for-the-buck. But since all of us live in a world where dough is a consideration then it's pretty important, wouldn't you say? Important enough that price was mentioned in EVERY test.

BTW, "bad-assinest"? Somebody get on the phone to Webster... :^/

Sigh. That's why I've repeatedly asked Gary if he could make his car as fast as the Evo for the same money. Why are you (and he) ignoring that question? I only mention it because the Evo was SO MUCH FASTER that it's a good baseline as well as a valid concern.

Every comparison in C&D is about price... every single one! Whenever they gather a group of rigs to compare there's always a target price limit. Like it or not, price is always a consideration. BAM!

If I'd wanted an Evo, I'd have gotten one. I have an SRT. I'll mod it lightly, drive it hard for a couple years and dump it. Based on the C&D test, if I had 52K to blow and wanted this kind of car, it'd be the Evo hands down. It don't and it isn't. But if it was...

BTW, include your address in your next bleat... uh, I mean, post. I need to figure out when I can come get my Vista.

And a 911 is a Volkswagen... YAWN. Get some new material, Sonny.

 

Hell If I got $ 43000 to spend on an srt4 vs an evo Id make the neon AWD just to **** on all those numbers. And while were at it my dad can beat up your dad. Granted a lot of ppl missed the point for this post. SRT-4 won, the numbers werent rigged the car was built, the car placed, it was in its class, maybe it seemed like the special olympics to an awd evo, but built to suit it beats up on a lot of awd vehicles for a lot less cost. Cheap speed or expensive speed or built to suit? If anyone decided to go all out to make a neon the worlds fastest 1/4 car then it wouldnt be a street driven, pump gas, stock bodied neon would it??? Nor would the ultimate 4g63t be doing dodge viper LEMANS times and top speed. Oh but wait its outta its class and the testing conditions werent fair!!!![:'(] DER- DER -DER

 

Okay, at this point I don't even know what you're arguing about.

You say you have never and will never take the car to a track. Then you complain about the Howell car having crappy 1/4 mile times.

You say it's not a bang-for-the-buck thing, but you keep bringing up price. You say price is a consideration in the test, but price has NO bearing whatsoever on the results. Fastest car wins. Period.

AND I ANSWERED THE $43,000 QUESTION, MORON! I SAID THE EVO WOULD WIN!

It's a simple drivetrain layout question. Do you understand that a front drive car simply CANNOT put down power past a certain point? That, coupled with the front-heavy weight disto of a front driver limits its performance. Of course it's not going to perform as well as an Evo.

As for me "having information not in the issue"... LOOK AT THE PHOTOS. LOOK AT THE TRACK MAP. That's how I know the 1/4 mile times were measured on pit lane. Pictures. Surely you can understand those.

As for your "SRT-4 is not a Neon" argument... I'm sorry, but it is. Same body, most of the same plastics. It's a more powerful, better handling Neon, but a Neon none the less... Do you see Integra Type R owners protesting that their R's aren't Integras? Same deal... It's basically the same car with some different body work and a different drivetrain. I don't care that it doesn't say "NEON" on it anywhere. It's a goddamn NEON. Why are some SRT-4 owners so terrified of having their car's roots known? My daily driver Civic is an Si, but do I yell at people when they call it a Civic? It's got a different motor, different suspension, and different body work... Hell, it's even a unique Si color! But you know what? It's still a Civic.


I think I'm wasting my time here. No amount of logic or reasoning seems to be able to change your mind...

But maybe I'm being too hard on you. Maybe you just don't have any debating skills... Or maybe there's something wrong with your brain... I mean, seriously... Are you retarded? Like... Actually mentally handicapped? Or just daft? Did someone take you from the group home and drop you off at the library just so you could annoy people on the Internet?