The 2008 Toyota Ram?
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COMPANY 2005 RECALLS AS A % OF VEHICLES IN OPERATION
1-FORD 11.7%
2-TOYOTA 10.1%
3-GM 6.8%
4-HONDA 4.0%
5-CHRYSLER 2.5%
Sources: R.L. Polk & Co.; National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/07...partner=alerts
1-FORD 11.7%
2-TOYOTA 10.1%
3-GM 6.8%
4-HONDA 4.0%
5-CHRYSLER 2.5%
Sources: R.L. Polk & Co.; National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/07...partner=alerts
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Lol i was about to quote you midnight.
That post of yours -proved- dependability in just a few lines.
I really don't like it when people like him don't bring in facts. That's the only thing i argue with. If you don't bring in facts then you will be ignored. People will always say, man i owned a toyota or nissan and they're way better. By what standards? your own? that is your OPINION? how is that going to convince me logically that it is better? Logic is truth opinions are bs. I know two of my friends that drive toyotas that act the same way. I wonder if a stereotype is going to happen in the near future like mustang owners' stereotyped for being ricer. Toyota owners will argue until they're blue in the face that theirs is the longest lasting, but none of them have convinced me yet.
The fact is: "Compared to toyota's previous tundra, the tundra's new styling is more closely similar to the ram's body styling in many key areas"
now, accepting that for what it is, the truth, convince me that it is coincidence or convince me otherwise. That's the first steps to debate as to why, as you said, the "toyota is so much better than the ram."
that's like scientists saying the moon really is made of cheese and have no proof or evidence of experimentation or anything at all. People who bring in no facts to support their statements burns my hide! [sm=bomb.gif]
oh yea, and i don't recall anybody here saying that the dodge ram is the best-selling truck in america....
That post of yours -proved- dependability in just a few lines.
I really don't like it when people like him don't bring in facts. That's the only thing i argue with. If you don't bring in facts then you will be ignored. People will always say, man i owned a toyota or nissan and they're way better. By what standards? your own? that is your OPINION? how is that going to convince me logically that it is better? Logic is truth opinions are bs. I know two of my friends that drive toyotas that act the same way. I wonder if a stereotype is going to happen in the near future like mustang owners' stereotyped for being ricer. Toyota owners will argue until they're blue in the face that theirs is the longest lasting, but none of them have convinced me yet.
The fact is: "Compared to toyota's previous tundra, the tundra's new styling is more closely similar to the ram's body styling in many key areas"
now, accepting that for what it is, the truth, convince me that it is coincidence or convince me otherwise. That's the first steps to debate as to why, as you said, the "toyota is so much better than the ram."
that's like scientists saying the moon really is made of cheese and have no proof or evidence of experimentation or anything at all. People who bring in no facts to support their statements burns my hide! [sm=bomb.gif]
oh yea, and i don't recall anybody here saying that the dodge ram is the best-selling truck in america....
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Whatever its trying to be, it will be 1 thing for sure, Over rated.
Just as the Titan and its Dana44 rear end and massive TSBs up the ***.
Sorry but these and just about all Toyota trucks are really boring.
Just as the Titan and its Dana44 rear end and massive TSBs up the ***.
Sorry but these and just about all Toyota trucks are really boring.
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JD POWER...notice not a single Chrysler product made this list
Another reliability statistical study report
Here's an excerpt from the above article: "As the problem rate for domestic vehicles improved slightly, the quality gap between U.S. and Asian makes narrowed slightly. Still, the average 2003 U.S. model still has 50 percent more problems than the average Japanese model."
Oh, by the way, I did provide facts to back up my point in my original post. The response I got was "i think consumer reports is full of S***". Brilliant! So, you don't agree with the statistics and what they prove, so you randomly dismiss them?
How about this from Forbes...it conatins the recall stats that you all seem so fond of, yet you seem to ignore what was said in this article about WHY Toyota has so many recalls.
Forbes article on recalls
Here's an excerpt:
"Toyota, moreover, has perfected the art of detecting and fixing quality problems early, often before customers even notice them. "What we tend to see is that if a customer receives a recall notice before their car exhibits any symptoms, they don't see it as a problem," says Chance Parker of J.D. Power. It counts as a recall, for sure, but the Power surveys are gauging consumers' level of satisfaction. And Toyota knows how to keep customers satisfied. It gives its dealers plenty of leeway to fix customer complaints even postwarranty--by some accounts as much as $3,000 per vehicle.
Despite the headlines, it's not clear that Toyota's recall numbers are any worse than those of the other carmakers. The amount it spends making good on warranties is 1.2% of revenues versus 2.4% for GM and 2.3% for Ford (nyse: F - news - people ). Last year when Toyota had 12 recalls, covering 2.2 million vehicles in the U.S., GM had 30, covering 5.1 million, and Ford had 17, covering 6 million"
Lastly, it was ViperGTS who said "Hahahaha!! They most definately did get most of their designs from the Ram. I'm just glad that they idolize the Ram, America's best selling full sized pickup. Go Toyota!!"
If you want me to provide additional FACTS to support my position, I'll be glad to do so. Until then, I would suggest that you should be able to provide some solid evidence that Toyota's are not more reliable than Chrysler products. I mean, I think the Forbes article makes it clear that Toyota chooses to address their problems in a timely fashion, and that's why the higher recall numbers. What is Chrysler doing? They refuse to issue a recall for a defect, so their cars are more reliable simply because the recall numbers are lower? Show me reliability statistics that back that up.
Oh, but the important part is that the Ram is better looking! Good call Jethro.
Another reliability statistical study report
Here's an excerpt from the above article: "As the problem rate for domestic vehicles improved slightly, the quality gap between U.S. and Asian makes narrowed slightly. Still, the average 2003 U.S. model still has 50 percent more problems than the average Japanese model."
Oh, by the way, I did provide facts to back up my point in my original post. The response I got was "i think consumer reports is full of S***". Brilliant! So, you don't agree with the statistics and what they prove, so you randomly dismiss them?
How about this from Forbes...it conatins the recall stats that you all seem so fond of, yet you seem to ignore what was said in this article about WHY Toyota has so many recalls.
Forbes article on recalls
Here's an excerpt:
"Toyota, moreover, has perfected the art of detecting and fixing quality problems early, often before customers even notice them. "What we tend to see is that if a customer receives a recall notice before their car exhibits any symptoms, they don't see it as a problem," says Chance Parker of J.D. Power. It counts as a recall, for sure, but the Power surveys are gauging consumers' level of satisfaction. And Toyota knows how to keep customers satisfied. It gives its dealers plenty of leeway to fix customer complaints even postwarranty--by some accounts as much as $3,000 per vehicle.
Despite the headlines, it's not clear that Toyota's recall numbers are any worse than those of the other carmakers. The amount it spends making good on warranties is 1.2% of revenues versus 2.4% for GM and 2.3% for Ford (nyse: F - news - people ). Last year when Toyota had 12 recalls, covering 2.2 million vehicles in the U.S., GM had 30, covering 5.1 million, and Ford had 17, covering 6 million"
Lastly, it was ViperGTS who said "Hahahaha!! They most definately did get most of their designs from the Ram. I'm just glad that they idolize the Ram, America's best selling full sized pickup. Go Toyota!!"
If you want me to provide additional FACTS to support my position, I'll be glad to do so. Until then, I would suggest that you should be able to provide some solid evidence that Toyota's are not more reliable than Chrysler products. I mean, I think the Forbes article makes it clear that Toyota chooses to address their problems in a timely fashion, and that's why the higher recall numbers. What is Chrysler doing? They refuse to issue a recall for a defect, so their cars are more reliable simply because the recall numbers are lower? Show me reliability statistics that back that up.
Oh, but the important part is that the Ram is better looking! Good call Jethro.
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Compare the Tundra to the Ram in "truck categories"? Ok, as soon as the new Tundra we are all discussing is released and the "truck category" figures are available I think that would be fun. I have a feeling that you may not like what this comparison reveals. However, I am sure that you will simply ignore the facts, anyway...just like the rest of the facts I have presented. But the Ram is real good looking!
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LMURRAY... you need to relax.....calm down.. they are no dout the new tundra will out tow the current ram when it comes out in the market.but you have to look how long is that going to last???chevy silverado just around the ben what are their power and payload numbers??? what about ford f150.. dodge and their upcoming ram and lets not forget the nissan titan all yet to have a redesign all with better hp, epa, payload and towing with better value and quality..mabey you would be better fit in a toyota forum .
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Calm down? I don't think I was the one who got bent out of shape. You little girls got your panties in a bunch when I stated that the Toyota is the more reliable vehicle. You then proceeded to challenge that position and throw out recall stats. All I did was shoot holes in that with facts and statistics.
I am a member at www.tundrasolutions.com, as well as here. As I said before, I currently own two Chrysler products, and I've had a string of Cherokees and Grand Cherokees over the years. My original point was that my 5.9L Durango has been problematic with commonly known issues that Chrysler refuses to address, so I would be switching to the new Tundra for its reliability over a Dodge. Especially since Toyota is finally building a true full size truck. And yes, I realize that the Big Three will likely answer Toyota's challenge, but isn't ironic that Toyota is the company that will be setting the next benchmark?
By the way, Toyota is cleaning up in the Craftsman Truck Series. I've always been a Mopar guy, but the new Tundra is definitely going to be awesome and impossible for the Big Three to ignore. If they do Toyota will dominate the full size truck segment. No one thought the Camry would ever surpass the Taurus as the #1 selling car in America all those years ago, and I'm sure no one thinks the Tundra will surpass the F150 either.
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I am a member at www.tundrasolutions.com, as well as here. As I said before, I currently own two Chrysler products, and I've had a string of Cherokees and Grand Cherokees over the years. My original point was that my 5.9L Durango has been problematic with commonly known issues that Chrysler refuses to address, so I would be switching to the new Tundra for its reliability over a Dodge. Especially since Toyota is finally building a true full size truck. And yes, I realize that the Big Three will likely answer Toyota's challenge, but isn't ironic that Toyota is the company that will be setting the next benchmark?
By the way, Toyota is cleaning up in the Craftsman Truck Series. I've always been a Mopar guy, but the new Tundra is definitely going to be awesome and impossible for the Big Three to ignore. If they do Toyota will dominate the full size truck segment. No one thought the Camry would ever surpass the Taurus as the #1 selling car in America all those years ago, and I'm sure no one thinks the Tundra will surpass the F150 either.
Peace