1st Gen Ram Tech '93 & older Rams: This section is for TECHNICAL discussions only, that involve 1993 Rams and older. For any non-tech discussions, please direct your attention to the "General discussion/NON-tech" sub sections.

'85 D150 project truck

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #21  
Old 09-22-2012, 07:08 PM
SEAL's Avatar
SEAL
SEAL is offline
Champion
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Bent Mountain Va
Posts: 2,639
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

It is a Nippondenso alternator. They typically have 4 wires. This might help.

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h8.pdf

This one is a little different plug but it might help.

http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=71311
 
  #22  
Old 09-25-2012, 07:42 PM
grimm's Avatar
grimm
grimm is offline
Professional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Havin a hard time following the wires back, he sure didnt make it easy to get into :/ I may give him a call tonight and see if he remembers where he ran the too.
Thanks for the links seal. It sounds like this alternator is internally regulated, so im thinking ill probably have to get an external voltage regulator, and re-wire the 400 alternator back to stock, either using the wires from the /6 alternator (depending on where they go) or just run new ones. I might be able to steal the regulator off my '83.
 
  #23  
Old 09-28-2012, 10:58 PM
grimm's Avatar
grimm
grimm is offline
Professional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

For the wiring on the denso alternator: 4 wires, 1 battery, 1 key switched 12v, 1 "sense" wire for internal regulator (key switched and sense were run together somehow with a relay), and 1 "lamp" which wasnt connected anywhere, just ran back to the firewall should it ever be needed. So for the mopar alternator ill use the batt wire, run the switched 12v to the voltage regulator of my '83, hook the field wires to that, then just leave the sense and lamp wires from the denso alone for now.

Got my bellhousing from mopar truck parts on wednesday (only took a week to get from california to alberta.not bad.) so shes all going together now. Engine is sitting on the mounts, gonna get the shifter fork for the bellhousing this weekend then shes all going in next week. Gettin excited now
 
  #24  
Old 10-04-2012, 09:21 PM
grimm's Avatar
grimm
grimm is offline
Professional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Hit a couple speed bump. Spent about 6 hrs on Monday and Tuesday trying to get the tranny in, only to find that it seamed that the input shaft was about 3/4" too long, so the decision was that we'd have to cut it down to fit. Now, before getting hasty, we tried to get it in without the clutch on just to make sure. The discovery was that the pilot bushing is too small to fit on the input shaft :P It was for the engine, but it originally had the NP435 tranny behind it, so were thinking thats where the trouble is coming in. we checked the /6 just to see, but it has a bigger outside diameter. So the question is, what would I look for the get a bushing with the right inside/outside DIA to fit the 400 and 833?
Also I got my brake parts for the rear axle and it looks like they will all fit, except for the wheel studs. I got some 2 1/2" studs to fit the hub, but the knurl is too short to go through the hub and rotor. They are a papco stud. Any ideas on the right stud for the knurl to go through the rotor and hub, while still being longer than stock?
 
  #25  
Old 10-12-2012, 10:57 PM
grimm's Avatar
grimm
grimm is offline
Professional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

On the wheel studs: found one at the local Bumper to Bumper to try and it works, so I ordered 15 more and nuts to match. Now apparently they put the wrong part # on the receipt so the 15 that came were these long friggin things for a chev dually. So gotta go back and match em up again.

On the bushing: Went back and ordered another one. The specs for the OD and ID would fit. I got it and it slips onto the input shaft pretty good. Pound it into the crank and then its too small. So I took a little grinder and "adjusted" the ID. Transmission and clutch went in ok, and now the tranny mount doesnt line up with the crossmember. Read a post online and is it possible that the engine isnt far enough back on the mounts (tranny mount needs to go rearward about 2 1/2 inches)?
 
  #26  
Old 10-13-2012, 09:17 AM
rabbit62's Avatar
rabbit62
rabbit62 is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

If your rear deck of the engine on the 400 isnt back far enough that the valve covers are below the brake booster its probably too far forward on my 77 the 400 is nearly in the firewall
 
  #27  
Old 10-13-2012, 08:04 PM
grimm's Avatar
grimm
grimm is offline
Professional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

So it's pobably not a good thing that when I climbed into the engine bay I had room to spare to get my hands in to get at the bellhousing bolts :/ I think there was prolly 2-3 inches it could go back. Dammit. I'll look again on monday when I'm at the shop. Is there anyway to move the engine back with out taking the tranny back out?
 
  #28  
Old 10-14-2012, 10:53 AM
rabbit62's Avatar
rabbit62
rabbit62 is offline
Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 13
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by grimm
So it's pobably not a good thing that when I climbed into the engine bay I had room to spare to get my hands ?
I suspect you will have to relocate the engine mounts. dodge stopped making big blocks in 77 so your 85 wont have the proper mounting setup for the 400 but you should be able to figure out a way to slide the engine mounts so everything lines up sorry dont know how though tho you might check out a set of engine mounts from a 77 pickup and see if they are different then what you have. We needed special mounts to cram a 400 in our 84 ramcharger but i forget what all it took good luck to you though if you have other problems let me know
 

Last edited by rabbit62; 10-14-2012 at 04:39 PM.
  #29  
Old 10-18-2012, 12:24 AM
grimm's Avatar
grimm
grimm is offline
Professional
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 112
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Heres some pics of where the engine was sitting when the tranny wouldnt line up.
Name:  DSCN0393.jpg
Views: 319
Size:  163.5 KB
Valve cover by firewall.

Name:  DSCN0392.jpg
Views: 336
Size:  87.1 KB
Rear of engine.

So I obviously have too much room. I pulled the engine again and this is what I found.

Name:  121017_172700.jpg
Views: 323
Size:  46.5 KB
Pass side frame mount.

Name:  121017_172712.jpg
Views: 260
Size:  52.0 KB
Drivers side frame mount.
So my question is, can I just move the mounts to the rear hole in the frame, like this?

Name:  121017_180614.jpg
Views: 284
Size:  48.4 KB
Pass side.

Name:  121017_180622.jpg
Views: 283
Size:  44.1 KB
drivers side.
Will try to put it in tomorrow and see how it looks. Hopefully I wont have to change the brake booster, though I have one if I do.
 
  #30  
Old 10-18-2012, 12:40 AM
crazzywolfie's Avatar
crazzywolfie
crazzywolfie is offline
Legend
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: orangeville ontario
Posts: 8,024
Received 71 Likes on 67 Posts
Default

i don't see why you could not move the the motor mount to the other hole. that is probably what the other hole is for. now i think you may have to move the bracket on the passenger side if possible. if it is on the back of the ears and can be moved to the front then that is what i think you have to do.
 


Quick Reply: '85 D150 project truck



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:29 PM.