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Old 02-19-2014, 12:26 AM
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I have an 01 Ram 1500 Sport Off Road edition currently with a 3 inch body lift on it. I'm running 35/12.5/r20s and I'm currently debating on whether I wanna go with a 2 inch leveling kit (and get rims) or add a 3 inch suspension lift. Does anybody have pictures of either combo on an off road edition or have any insight into how each would look compared to each other?
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Old 02-19-2014, 02:34 AM
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Your offroad edition lift is about as far as you can go suspension lift wise as any taller and you're gonna need a lift kit. Offroad editions already have a 2" lift in them , so if you put a 3" lift kit in youd only get 1" of lift.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:11 AM
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So basically my best option would be to do the leveling kit?
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:24 AM
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I think on the ORE, even a leveling kit is going to be problematic. It still uses the same control arms, and such, that the non-ORE trucks use, so, you run into the same problems, at less lift. You can get away with an inch up front, but, beyond that, I think you are going to have alignment issues.
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So basically my best option would be to do the leveling kit?
No because you're already at your limit suspension wise with stock parts. Leveling spacers still affect the steering geometry so you cant go any taller in the front without going to a kit. I think the only thing left you can do IS a kit. You say already have a 3" Body lift, and the ORE lift so kits really your only option left.
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I have pictures around here. The input by these guys is inaccurate with exception of the 3" kit. That is not beneficial enough.

You can toss in a 2" leveling kit w/o issue, assuming you are adept at recognizing the effects it has and what needs to be compensated for.

What is the purpose of adding anyways? Are you getting some scrub with the 35s?

What is your goal?
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I have pictures around here. The input by these guys is inaccurate with exception of the 3" kit. That is not beneficial enough.

You can toss in a 2" leveling kit w/o issue, assuming you are adept at recognizing the effects it has and what needs to be compensated for.

What is the purpose of adding anyways? Are you getting some scrub with the 35s?

What is your goal?
Like longer control arms perhaps, an adjustable track bar? Etc.?? Wouldn't it be cheaper/easier just to get a real lift kit, or are the ORE's more forgiving of such things that I thought??
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Like longer control arms perhaps, an adjustable track bar? Etc.?? Wouldn't it be cheaper/easier just to get a real lift kit, or are the ORE's more forgiving of such things that I thought??
He didn't ask what was cheapest/easiest. That is so subjective anyways.

We also don't know what his current setup is anyways nor his goal that is the premise of his question....

I have pictures in my album showing tire size, lift, level, and body lift changes.

Control arms are not needed to be longer for adding level on an ORE. I know I can report no ill effects with mine, including all the offroad use it did see.

We are talking about the entire system here and agree that 1 part (too many think it's a small part) plays a large role in the entire system.

Of anything from the limited info that the OP provided, the one sure thing to recommend no matter what is an adjustable track bar. Yet, we know of ppl not changing to one when they did go >3" of lift, which is asking to be dangerously large brick on the road. I'd never condone that.

OP needs to give up the goods if he wants us to give him some stuff for the "pay to play" arena.
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Unless otherwise specified, I generally assume (yeah, yeah, I know..... ) Stock.

ARE any of the front suspension parts different on the ORE? Aside from the springs.....
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Quit your ASSuming stuff and root out their conundrum.

Honestly I don't know. Only have an ORE and only look to answer specifics for an ORE.

I vaguely recall someone (maybe zman) saying that the control arms were longer or are 2500 arms. I've never had a need to confirm and deny. From my recent arm builds I randomly for the heck of it measured the upper arm on bolt length to be 17". Tossed the lower long time ago so I don't know.

Visually the pitman arm was different in girth....lol no clue about length or drop as again no reason to go compare to non-ORE.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:12 PM
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That seems perfectly reasonable.......
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Part numbers tell all, same part number for the ORE as in the reg 1500 trucks regarding control arms.
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Control arms are the same length between the 1500s and 2500s.

I measured them
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:46 AM
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Control arms are the same length between the 1500s and 2500s.

I measured them
And the lengths are...?

I was wrong for the one I had, it is 17.25"
Glad someone has access to measure these things in their own hands.



Curious though as to why the part numbers are different between the 1500 (Lt duty 4wd) and others (med. duty 4wd and HD duty 4wd)?

Since the coil springs are different between a ORE and standard 1500, has anyone been able to determine/decode the part number? I recall there was a spring discussion that maybe it was Jimythefan trying to figure part numbers and springs?


In any case, adding a 2" level to the ORE springs is not detrimental by any means in the context that the other components are in "sound" condition and an alignment is done. The 3" height is just a general trend b/c lift companies made that a "standard". That's my from the exact experience of my ORE rig is all.
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Old 02-20-2014, 03:51 AM
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Sorry it's taken me a while to reply guys. Basically the goal with either one is to change the way my truck sits. The truck is still rear end high since it's stock suspension (aside from shocks) so I want to get it sitting level. My tires do rub just a tiny bit on my upper control arm but only at full lock and I'm pretty sure that's just because my rims have essentially 0 back spacing. Either way I go I'm pretty sure it'll fix it because the lift kit I'm looking at has new control arms that are rounded rather than lipped like the stock arms, and if I go leveling kit it would mean rims too (in a few months) which would also get rid of the rub. Rub really isn't an issue though, I went off roading a few weeks ago and had no problems, I just want to change the stance. Basically since the 3 inch lift only adds one it would just be replacing the control arms and maybe the Pitman arm if I'm remembering right and leveling it. I just need to know if I should spend the extra money to have that replaced to make it level.
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Welcome back and as you can see, you'll get a myriad of responses in terms of effort, cost, performance, looks, etc. This becomes even more subjective given that your goal is "stance".

You have options though, which is good. Meaning you are not backed into a corner, especially an expensive corner like cracked heads...

So I'll just speak to your current situation as we don't know what the possibility is down the road. I only bring that up because often times people will address a need now, only to then not long later realize they should have done something else resulting in "paying 2x/doing it >2x etc."

It's up to you on how comfortable you are with rubbing tires. The stock control arms have those lips that could cut when going in reverse.

With your 3" BL already on there, you can add the 2" level but get an alignment. It's debatable that you're at 4" lift (2" ORE + 2" level), but you'll be > 3" for sure. This will impact track bar, this will impact steering, and the stock shocks.

Going to a 3" kit will resolve most of those things. It comes down to the quality of the kit you pick. Alot of people here can provide some insight on those as I did custom. With any kit though, your springs are completely replaced. No more ORE coil springs.

With either of these options and you say you're going offroad (what kind? dirt roads/rocks?), the 2 things I would highly recommend changing is adjustable track bar and wheels that have at least 4.5" backspacing. Stock wheels are 5.5". I mentioned before that in my profile (click username) find my photo albums and you'll see some pictures showing clearances for 33" and 35" tire, with and w/o 3" bl, then adding 2.5" level. Wheels are 4.5" BS.

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Sorry it's taken me a while to reply guys. Basically the goal with either one is to change the way my truck sits. The truck is still rear end high since it's stock suspension (aside from shocks) so I want to get it sitting level. My tires do rub just a tiny bit on my upper control arm but only at full lock and I'm pretty sure that's just because my rims have essentially 0 back spacing. Either way I go I'm pretty sure it'll fix it because the lift kit I'm looking at has new control arms that are rounded rather than lipped like the stock arms, and if I go leveling kit it would mean rims too (in a few months) which would also get rid of the rub. Rub really isn't an issue though, I went off roading a few weeks ago and had no problems, I just want to change the stance. Basically since the 3 inch lift only adds one it would just be replacing the control arms and maybe the Pitman arm if I'm remembering right and leveling it. I just need to know if I should spend the extra money to have that replaced to make it level.
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How do you like the body lift? Might be something I want to do in the future.
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How do you like the body lift? Might be something I want to do in the future.
I personally like mine. Haven't had a single issue and it rides like it did with just the suspension lift. You cant really tell it has a body lift unless I told the person. I love the extra room between the cab and frame when I have to work on the truck.
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Mine was put on by the owner before me and I definitely like it, but if I had to do it again I'd probably do a 2 inch one instead of 3. With mine being ORE you can really see the skid plates and to me I can notice it fairly easy. It's one of those things where I notice it because it's my truck. Probably wouldn't notice if it was someone else's. Ride is great though, no performance issues. I feel like body lists have a somewhat bad reputation. They're no substitute for a suspension lift, but if you're not a serious off roader they're okay.
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