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Plenum gasket causing loss of oil?

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Old 03-18-2014, 12:31 AM
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I'm having a issue with my dodge, 1998 dodge with a 5.9l 360. Uses about a quart or better every 300-400 miles. I drive it rough so I expect it to be less if I was careful.

Truck runs like a top, but noticed my power isn't all there.

Gas mileage is okay.. But not great. Ordered a plenum repair kit.. But I was told if the oil fill up isn't sucking air when you put your palm on it (which it isnt) it's most likely toast rings.

I see a oily tint in my throttle body but can't get anything in there to see if it's pooled.

Before I spend a whole two days in this job.. Would you say this is my issue?
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Old 03-18-2014, 01:10 AM
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You can plug the end of the breather hose and remove pcv from valve cover to see if there is vacuum or positive pressure at pcv hole. I think you would have to have a pretty bad leak to confirm this way.
Does it blow a puff of blue smoke after sitting overnight? That would indicate bad valve guide seals. Could be a combination of both. What's mileage? Add truck info to your signature.
Removing the throttle body would give you a better look into the corners of the intake. Four bolts to remove and a 2.00 gasket.
Compression test, wet and dry would give you some more info about worn rings.
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Have you read this?
http://dodgeforum.com/forum/2nd-gen-...um-thread.html


Once you have and if you still have questions then come ask them. This is why this thread is here and is a sticky.
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Hmm Wow.. I always thought the rattling was a loose heat shield.. Seemed to go away if I played with the shield.. But maybe it was coincidence.. I seem to have all the symptoms so I guess I'll do the repair. I've also heard taking the plenum out will mess up the water pump.. Is it time for a waterpump replacement as well?
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Plenum and waterpump are unrelated. You *can* do the water pump/timing chain at the same time, as you have to remove a lot of the same parts to do either job. (and, if you have a lot of miles on your truck, timing chain IS a good idea.)

But, don't expect doing the plenum to completely cure your oil consumption.... Reduce it? Sure, eliminate it? Only if you are really lucky.
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Plenum and waterpump are unrelated. You *can* do the water pump/timing chain at the same time, as you have to remove a lot of the same parts to do either job. (and, if you have a lot of miles on your truck, timing chain IS a good idea.)


But, don't expect doing the plenum to completely cure your oil consumption.... Reduce it? Sure, eliminate it? Only if you are really lucky.
I don't have a problem with topping the oil off.. But I think three quarts every thousand miles is insane. I'd be happy with one quart every thousand, two thousand miles. I simply can't accept the fact I have blown rings.. Truck runs like a top. Starts good in the cold.. I'm shure a little wear is in them but I can't see it burning that much oil.. I've had freinds follow me and the only time it blows blue smoke is when I just sit on the gas pedal.. In gear or out of gear.. And it depends on the weather as well (contraction and expanding of plates?) But my friend has a dakota that does the same thing.. And it doesn't use any oil at all.
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I was going thru a quart every 100 miles before I did the plenum, and the truck only smoked at startup..... after the plenum, I still go thru about a quart ever 200 miles or so.... and it still only smokes at start up.......
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I was going thru a quart every 100 miles before I did the plenum, and the truck only smoked at startup..... after the plenum, I still go thru about a quart ever 200 miles or so.... and it still only smokes at start up.......

Mine only seems to smoke on start up if I bump the key for a second and let off (used to starting newer dodges where you turn the key for half a second and it starts on its own) or if I try to start it with a low battery. Other than that it doesn't smoke at all. It runs really rich though, since I have a 180 thermostat in it.

I'm also looking into removing the death flash. I'm thinking dodges retardation of timing can also contribute to oil loss
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Do a compression test and actually find put what your rings are at.
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After finding out dad doesn't have a tester, ( I found his next birthday gift) Did some calling around and found one. I'll check and find some marginal test numbers for the 360 and get back to you all. (Finally a good excuse to clean my plugs)
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