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Old 12-04-2008, 07:15 PM
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Unhappy 06 2500 with headlight issues...TIPM?

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Nobody on any other forums had a clue so I'm hoping someone here will. I have a 06 2500, hemi, 4x4. At first the passenger side low beam stopped working. I switched to high beam and they worked fine then switched back to low and it was fine now. Everything worked great for a few weeks and it did it again and started happening often. Finally, the passenger low beam stopped working totally. A few weeks later the passenger side high beam stopped also. I've changed the bulb and swapped bulbs but that's not it. So for months at this point I have just driven it as is....drivers side lights only plus the fog lights. Then, a few days ago out of no where the passenger side high beams worked for one drive. I shut the truck off and then tried again the next time I drove it and it was out again. Everyone I talk to says that it wouldn't be the headlight switch or the multi function switch because that would mess up both sides, not just the passenger. I've checked the wiring to the best of my ability and all seems right and grounds are good. After doing some more research I'm wondering if it would be the TIPM. Does that sound right and if so is there anything I can do to find out besides putting myself at the mercy of the dealership? I unplugged the headlight harness from it and plugged it back in but no luck. Also, if that is it, and I can find a TIPM used or even new from someplace other than the dealership for less, am I still going to have to take it to the dealer to get programmed? Any help would be appreciated since I'm now driving nights. Thanks.
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Old 12-04-2008, 08:37 PM
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I doubt it's the TIPM. Have you installed any aftermarket high output bulbs? Did you check the wiring harness and make sure they were pushed in tight into the plastic connector? I have a feeling that when you got in there and changed out bulbs, you loosened up the one side connector and that may be the reason it wasn't working. I would triple check all your connections. I think it's something simple as that.
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Old 12-05-2008, 11:36 AM
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This problem started and ended on the same bulb. Nothing had been worked on or modified. I checked all harnesses and wires. I didn't try switching bulbs until after the high and low both stopped working. I've been told that the headlight switch and the multi function switch would affect both sides, not just the passenger side and in some cases would also affect the other lighting on that side. I even checked wiring harnesses for corrosion or a loose wire. Nothing. Any other ideas here?
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Old 12-05-2008, 12:03 PM
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check the fuses under the hood.
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check the fuses under the hood.
Only if they are loose as he said they weould work and then stop. Once a fuse os blown, they stop altogether. Also, headlights have fuses and relays.
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Old 12-05-2008, 01:03 PM
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but now they are not working at all correct? . i am aware of the lights working on fuses and relays. maybe the fuses were loose and would come in and out of contact and could have blown. Just trying to help the guy look for possible problems. anything is possible.
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are you getting a bulb out message on your dash?
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I was looking at an FSM for a 2005 2500--I'm not sure its exactly the same---but, from that it appears that a signal is received from the headlight switch or the multi function switch (high beam) and this commands the FCM to send voltage to the headlamps. I was hoping they may have used a relay in the power dist center, but on the FSM I have, it looks as if its direct from the FCModule buried under the PDC. My guess at this point would be to see if the signal from the headlight switch is being received, and if so, replace the FCM, if not, its the switch. I'm leaning towards the FCM only because the low and high beams are sent on different circuits to the headlights. With the truck running, and the headlights off, pull the multifuction back as if you are flashing your high beams to pass---if the highbeams come on, they are getting the signal from the multifunction switch, if not, most likely FCM is bad. My guess on this would be dealer only for your year-----but-----hopefully, you might still have a warranty?????? 3yr 36K bumper to bumper.

This is my take on it---hope you get it figured out
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I am having the exact same headlight failures you describe. I wonder how many others have experienced this exact same problem?

From DAY ONE with my new 2006 Ram, every month or so my neighbor kept telling me I had a headlight out when he saw me drive home. I thought he was nuts cause every time I got out and looked, both headlights worked just fine. I wish I had dug into this further to see if a headlight really was malfunctioning while I was under warranty, but the headlights were working whenever I looked at them.

About a month ago I noticed the driver side low-beam was out.
I changed the bulb. I tried wiggling connections and swapping bulbs but that side has not worked in over a month.

Today, I just got the call from my Dodge Dealer saying my headlight computer is failing and it will cost $858 + tax to replace and reprogram. I asked them why it apparently had been failing intermittantly for 3+ years and not detected on any other service appointments? They said, "yeah, sorry about that." The dealer then asked if I had purchased the extended warranty and did I want them to fix it?

I took delivery of my 2006 Dodge Ram Quad 4x4 Hemi brand new from the factory from my local dealer in Feb '06. I have had the complete, 3000 mile, Schedule-B, service/maintenance performed religiously. Don't they plug in and check the computer on these services?

My commute to work is only 7 miles and I do not off road. I can't believe a function as crucial as a single headlight is dependant on a $900 computer, and that Dodge has the nerve to stick me with the bill to fix this on my own. $858+ tax is more than you would pay for a high end desktop computer, monitor, keyboard, and printer.

I bought a $7K Mazda P/U in 1986 and drove it 23 years and NEVER had one incident of equipment failure, not even a lightbulb.
When I get around to buying my next vehicle I'ts not likely to be a Dodge unless they pony up, and I'll pay a lot more attention to warranty coverages, extended warranties, and maintenance requirements. So dissappointed!!!

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Hello all,

Nobody on any other forums had a clue so I'm hoping someone here will. I have a 06 2500, hemi, 4x4. At first the passenger side low beam stopped working. I switched to high beam and they worked fine then switched back to low and it was fine now. Everything worked great for a few weeks and it did it again and started happening often. Finally, the passenger low beam stopped working totally. A few weeks later the passenger side high beam stopped also. I've changed the bulb and swapped bulbs but that's not it. So for months at this point I have just driven it as is....drivers side lights only plus the fog lights. Then, a few days ago out of no where the passenger side high beams worked for one drive. I shut the truck off and then tried again the next time I drove it and it was out again. Everyone I talk to says that it wouldn't be the headlight switch or the multi function switch because that would mess up both sides, not just the passenger. I've checked the wiring to the best of my ability and all seems right and grounds are good. After doing some more research I'm wondering if it would be the TIPM. Does that sound right and if so is there anything I can do to find out besides putting myself at the mercy of the dealership? I unplugged the headlight harness from it and plugged it back in but no luck. Also, if that is it, and I can find a TIPM used or even new from someplace other than the dealership for less, am I still going to have to take it to the dealer to get programmed? Any help would be appreciated since I'm now driving nights. Thanks.
I am having the exact same headlight failures you describe. I wonder how many others have experienced this exact same problem?

From DAY ONE with my new 2006 Ram, every month or so my neighbor kept telling me I had a headlight out when he saw me drive home. I thought he was nuts cause every time I got out and looked, both headlights worked just fine. I wish I had dug into this further to see if a headlight really was malfunctioning while I was under warranty, but the headlights were working whenever I looked at them.

About a month ago I noticed the driver side low-beam was out.
I changed the bulb. I tried wiggling connections and swapping bulbs but that side has not worked in over a month.

Today, I just got the call from my Dodge Dealer saying my headlight computer is failing and it will cost $858 + tax to replace and reprogram. I asked them why it apparently had been failing intermittantly for 3+ years and not detected on any other service appointments? They said, "yeah, sorry about that." The dealer then asked if I had purchased the extended warranty and did I want them to fix it?

I took delivery of my 2006 Dodge Ram Quad 4x4 Hemi brand new from the factory from my local dealer in Feb '06. I have had the complete, 3000 mile, Schedule-B, service/maintenance performed religiously. Don't they plug in and check the computer on these services?

My commute to work is only 7 miles and I do not off road. I can't believe a function as crucial as a single headlight is dependant on a $900 computer, and that Dodge has the nerve to stick me with the bill to fix this on my own. $858+ tax is more than you would pay for a high end desktop computer, monitor, keyboard, and printer.

I bought a $7K Mazda P/U in 1986 and drove it 23 years and NEVER had one incident of equipment failure, not even a lightbulb.
When I get around to buying my next vehicle I'ts not likely to be a Dodge unless they pony up, and I'll pay a lot more attention to warranty coverages, extended warranties, and maintenance requirements. So dissappointed!!!
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hello, i am currently a ford tech but worked chrysler for ten years, if a tipm ipm or fcm sees a fault in a hi-side driver circuit(such as a headlight) it will shut it down. on subsequent key cycles it will work the circuit until a fault is seen (why it goes on and off) after reaching a certain count it will permenantly disable the circuit until either the tipm,ipm,fcm(varies by model and year) is reset or replaced, if a fault does exist resetting it will only work for a short perioid of time. this was seen repeatedly with trailer lamp circuits on the dodge rams until a new program came out upping the amperage limits before setting a fault.
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I have a 2006 dodge 1500 4x4 5.7L. my passenger low beam quit working about a 2 weeks ago. I decided I was going to put in a set of HID's instead of replacing the factory bulbs. So i was testing the leads to find out which wire was low, high, and ground. Upon testing these I found that I had no power to the passenger low beam at the headlight connector. Installed a new H13 bulb thinking that the TPIM would need some form of resistance to stop the curcuit from tripping (there are no fuses or relays for the headlights. Fully controlled by the TPIM, the curcuits for the headlights are on the underside of the TPIM) and still no low beam. So I took my concern to my local Dodge dealership and talk to the shop foreman. After a lot of twisting his arm and showing him that I had already aquired the full wiring schmatics/diagram he advised me the test the passenger low beam wire from the tpim to the connecter (am going to do this tonight) and see if there is an open curcuit. Shop foreman does not believe this is going to be the case, he believes that the tpim is going to require replacement. After more arm twisting he explained to me that this isn't that uncommon of an occurance. So after spending 30 minutes talking with him this is what he believes happend.
My passenger side low beam filament broke (burnt bulb). This caused a power surge in the system that basiclly fried the tpim passenger low beam curcuit (due to the fact that there is no fuses or relays in the headlight system.
In conclusion. $20.00 headlight burnt out causing a $850.00 plus failure because a dodge engeneer decided that fuses and relays were no longer a vital safety factor in this electrical system.

I am going to take my fight to Dodge Canada and see what happens.

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New news for passenger low beam headlight not working. I went to a different dealership last night (I know the new service manager there) and we began the process to see if dodge canada would pay to replace the TPIM in my 06 1500 4x4 sport. At that very moment his electrical tech happend to walk by and overhear our conversation and asked if he could see the truck. He plugged in his scanner and "flashed" the TPIM with the latest software updates available for the truck. Check engine light came on after and he cleared all the codes. Good news, passenger low beam headlight is now working. The tech tells me it souldn't happen again (crossing my fingers) because the old software would tell the TPIM to disable that curcuit after so many high current failures (due to a burnt out bulb). Hope this can help someone else. On the downside he said if it does happen again and they cannot reset the TPIM with the scan tool the it will need to be replace.
So in conclusion - This does not seem to be an uncommon problem and "flashing" the TPIM with an updated software does work in most cases. In my opinion if this happens to you take the vehicle directly to the dealership and talk directly to a shop foreman (or the tech if they will let you) because most of the service advisor probably do know no of this problem and could lead to a breakdown in comunication between you, the service advisor, and the tech.
Good luck, and I hope your fix was as simple as mine
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Thanks jeepfixitman & pryc83, this is good info to have for WHEN this happens again.

I respect those of you with the time and knowledge to find the "secrets" behind these "common" problems in trouble shooting vehicle malfunctions, and I value the fact that you share this info.

No, my fix was not as simple as yours. It was a $900+ bill to make one $20 headlight work on a 3 year old vehicle. I'm not even sure what or if they replaced really, they just called it a computer.

If you or anyone does take this or similar issues up with Dodge, I'd be very happy to hear about it!

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Thanks guys!!! I have a 2007 2500 diesel...

Hopefully this will save me a bundle...

Also, is there an aftermarket 'computer' that can replace this $800 unit for less money/more durability?

And, I was told that the PIAA bulbs/other bulbs can bring this on as well? In my case, I bought some mid-range bulbs (sorry, don't recall which ones, they were a bit less than the PIAA ones), and within 2 weeks, I had a daytime running light out on one side, a low beam on the other, and back to the first side for the headlight that was out!!! Pretty funny, really.

Then, 2 weeks in to the PIAA bulbs, and the driver's side low beam is gone 'for good'. Quite the ordeal.

Again, thanks! I'll go to the dealer with these ideas and see what I get!

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I have the same problem with my passenger side headlight, have you guy found a remiedy yet?
Please let me know. Dont have 850 bucks just laying around
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I have a 06 2500 cummins mine is the high beam on the right side thats all so far. My thing is that my dad has a 97 my mom a 02 my brothers a 04 the other a 06 we have all had trouble with headlights in one way or another what is dodge doing to fix these problems?
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ya. I have '04 1500 5.7 and have same issue. passenger side low beam does not work. tried new bulbs and even switched bulbs. wires and connectors look good. Not sure what to do. please help !!!!!
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ya. I have '04 1500 5.7 and have same issue. passenger side low beam does not work. tried new bulbs and even switched bulbs. wires and connectors look good. Not sure what to do. please help !!!!!
Check the bottom side of your fuse panel under the hood. They had a common tendenancy to corrode and cause intermittent electrical problems. If not that, the you should check your cluster.
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And the 04 does not have a TIPM so that helps you out a lot
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