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Old 09-02-2011, 03:31 PM
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Here's another reason V8's and trucks won't go away anytime soon: electric vehicles. When Chrysler starts selling them, it will have a bunch of 0 mpg cars and if everything else averages 30+, then even the 56 mpg average is fairly easy to make. I think the EPA went too far. I think 44 mpg would have been better and more realistic, but I am still not too worried about losing good cars. The future of commuters is electric, but V8 cars and trucks aren't going to disappear. Even now, a gas guzzler like the Bugatti Veyron, the gas guzzler tax is less than 2% of it's sales price. Worse case scenario is people pay a couple hundred bucks tax for lesser performing cars. It's not American, or free enterprise, but it isn't the end of the world for car guys either.
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so did you purposefully include Pres Obama's middle name to try to invoke some type of connection between him and Saddam? why not just say President Obama? we all know what his name is. would you have typed President George Herbert Walker Bush? doubt it
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Bush was known by his middle name too. Commonly called "Dubya". What's your point???
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my point is that when people actually use his middle name it is usually to bring up feelings of hate. im not saying that was the authors intent, but it is rare that you see his full name in the media, just wanted to know why this author used it here
and yeah he was known as dubya...he was also known as a dumb@$$
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I sure want to put in my 50 cents worth. Like the Obama joke--I call him Obama Bin Laddin--he rubs the people for magic amounts of money. +++++++Chrysler--NOT happy with the way they have gone over the years. WHY get rid of popular, proven tough cars?--such as the Dodge Dart, Monaco,-- The Smaller '80's Charger, Omni, K-cars, Daytona's--then the Intrepid/Concorde & probably a couple more? Why can't they keep a certain brand year in & out like the Chev. Impala or Ford Rustang? --This stinks. Who wants a Crossfire or Prowler that stays around a couple years--then disappears? Also continue with turbo technology--these are great horsepower makers with economy 4 cylinders--but also incorporate them in the sixes, & v-8's. Also--a word synonomous with Chrysler--TANKS. Fine, to have a big ram truck--but also have a smaller, lighter version with light metals--AND normal size rims (16"). Why do they have to follow "the leader"-whoever that may be? Case in point: The Rustang--big engine--7-800 lbs. lighter than the Challenger designed to beat it. Camaro 4-500 lbs. lighter. Who's going to be faster? Of course the Hemi is fastest--but it's hauling a lot of unneeded weight--with ridiculous 19" rims--which means bigger brakes--which means beefier suspension, --plus a bunch of other unneeded weight items--therefore it's a slower car because of the weight problem which also causes loss of fuel mileage,& more parts wear. Viper--way overpriced--most buy cheaper Corvette junk. Put smaller wheels on it--throw in a hemi as an option also. USE YOUR BRAINS Chrysler designers. Keep each model nearly the same for 5 years--then change style. Use some of Fiat's brains also for weight reduction. Good night!
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OK Hemidart, I got the gist of what you are going for and have to say that maybe lean up on the writing. It looks like my 73 International dump truck when I had the carb WAYYY to rich. I loved my 81 New Yorker 5th Ave(the big one not the Diplomat). But I got a whopping 20 mpg on the highway and around 13 mpg city. It had a smooth, cloud-like ride, which means it handled like a plush tank. Cars today are better in every way. If you want light, Ram makes a commercial version that strips a lot of the sound deadening and plush carpet and you get a basic truck just like the good ol' days + world class safety items like reinforced cabin and airbags. My 65 Dodge Coronet 440(model not engine) was a fantastic car, but if you asked me if I wanted that or a new Charger, I'd take the Charger(although if you put a Charger up against my brothers 69 Polara convertible-Polara all the way). I think we tend to get sentimental and remember the cars of yesterday for what that time in our lives mean more than what the cars actually were. Chrysler is about the only car company out there that is keeping the spirit of their past alive, while making totally modern and desirable cars that people want to buy. I can live with that kind of change.
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Possibly you were referring to yourself????????
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's my clear, concise and more or less correct punctuation and grammar. But it's a free forum and I'm glad you're here and contributing to the conversation.
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The only real dislike I have with the 300/Charger/Challenger is the Daimler chassis, and 800+lbs of fat. It doesn't allow for a real sized tire in the rear. The Mustang and Camaro can fit a pretty wide tire under the back where as the Mopars look like they have space savers on them from the rear. They should have at least a 295 width tire under the back.
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Sorry Mantisman--at the time I thot we Chrysler guys want to be #1 in handling & performance--that's all--it's nothing to do with being a baby. Another thing that bothers me is people who should be loyal to North American cars--buy overseas junk --sending our money over there--much of it to countries who'd blow us off the map if the right opportunity presented itself. Also, many of these countries won't even sell our cars in their country or else put a big levy on them--like we should be doing.
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Sorry Mantisman--at the time I thot we Chrysler guys want to be #1 in handling & performance--that's all--it's nothing to do with being a baby. Another thing that bothers me is people who should be loyal to North American cars--buy overseas junk --sending our money over there--much of it to countries who'd blow us off the map if the right opportunity presented itself. Also, many of these countries won't even sell our cars in their country or else put a big levy on them--like we should be doing.
Dude it's a sig. It is not meant to be about anyone personally. I have had it since someone complained about a sig I had that showed other people their IP and stuff-so probably 2+ years. Relax, I understand where you're coming from. I was only trying to add context to the notion of previous cars being legitimate contenders in the modern world.
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Sorry Mantisman--at the time I thot we Chrysler guys want to be #1 in handling & performance--that's all--it's nothing to do with being a baby. Another thing that bothers me is people who should be loyal to North American cars--buy overseas junk --sending our money over there--much of it to countries who'd blow us off the map if the right opportunity presented itself. Also, many of these countries won't even sell our cars in their country or else put a big levy on them--like we should be doing.
Cool, I'll be loyal to the Honda Civic, Subaru Legacy, and Toyota Camry.
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I think that chrysler will deal fine with the new cafe requirements, they are already ahead of schedule.
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CAFE is nothing more that fascism. A bunch of fatass know-nothings who havent designed, engineered, or marketed ANYTHING get to tell auto manufacturers what to build and how it should be done, and that the consumer can buy anything they want as long as its politician approved. Horse ****. The wants/needs of the market and the limits of technology should be the ONLY determining factors for what kind of mpgs a vehicle gets.
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Cool, I'll be loyal to the Honda Civic, Subaru Legacy, and Toyota Camry.
Tongue-in-cheek sarcasm? Look, if someone has skin-deep loyalty to Chrysler, that's their business, but japanese cars aren't better than any American car. I'm not going to rehash the massive engineering issues that the japanese(especially Toyota) have had throughout the years. They are great at marketing and NOTHING else. But anyway, Chrysler is putting out some great cars-the previous ones were good but people seem to hate hard plastic-and what's sad is these are ALL Chrysler engineered and FIAT is already starting to get the credit when nothing that's rolled out this last year was touched in any way by FIAT. However, when the FIAT/Chrysler small cars start rolling out, I will bet anyone they are better in fuel economy than 90% of the cars on the road in their class. FIAT at least has some world-class drivetrains that get phenomenal fuel economy. And they are tinny little boxes(not tiny-cheap @$$ tin like the fanboys love) like the japanese, so all the japanese fans will have something to like also.
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Tongue-in-cheek sarcasm? Look, if someone has skin-deep loyalty to Chrysler, that's their business, but japanese cars aren't better than any American car. I'm not going to rehash the massive engineering issues that the japanese(especially Toyota) have had throughout the years. They are great at marketing and NOTHING else. But anyway, Chrysler is putting out some great cars-the previous ones were good but people seem to hate hard plastic-and what's sad is these are ALL Chrysler engineered and FIAT is already starting to get the credit when nothing that's rolled out this last year was touched in any way by FIAT. However, when the FIAT/Chrysler small cars start rolling out, I will bet anyone they are better in fuel economy than 90% of the cars on the road in their class. FIAT at least has some world-class drivetrains that get phenomenal fuel economy. And they are tinny little boxes(not tiny-cheap @$$ tin like the fanboys love) like the japanese, so all the japanese fans will have something to like also.
Theres nothing sarcastic about 3 good cars made in North America. Who said those were Japanese cars anyway? The three I listed are built in Greensburg Indiana, Lafayette Indiana, and Georgetown Kentucky. I'm Not a fanboy of American Cars. I'm not a fanboy of the Germans, Switz, or the Koreans cars. But I am a fanboy of good cars. If the Americans would build a better car (Which they are doing now, finnaly) than the people would buy it. Its not the brand of where its from, its the end product and how good it is.
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BUT. . . Any Import made in the US still has a good chunk taken out that goes back to China, Japan, Germany, Switzerland, Korea, Scandinavia, etc. to support their country. At least buying American helps our economy out more than someone elses. . . .
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