Not on a 2001 Durango.

 

only ones sold in canadia (yes I meant to say canadia) have drls.

 

mopar man you can tell if you need a warning canceler, just pull one of your headlights and turn your vehicle on. if you get a light on your dash that shows a light out then you know you have headlight warning device in your vehicle. if you decide to get a hid kit.
and that guy when i was online searching for information about hid kits that (hidkitxenonlights) was the only online company that i had found that had any bit of decent information that i could find. as far as bulb strength...
i did not go as far as looking into there bbb rating.i had no idea that they had an alert out on them. i guess thats something i need to do befor i order anything else online. huh?
also the information that i coppied, im pretty sure was an unbiased comparison. and unless you live in the city which most of us on here dont. side view, or lighting the road side by your vehicle is a need when living in the country.
i have also found some hid kits that use xenon gas inside of them.
i have nothing against projectors when factory equipted.
yes alot of the higher end vehichles now being made have projectors in them, there designed that way. if they designed them for conventional bulbs there headlight design would be different to maximize illumination.
vehicles that are designed for conventional bulbs (halogen) when equiped with projectors do not get the full range of illumination. like road side. which is very important for country or suburban driving, to watch out for animals.
i have hit many deer in all my years of driving. and i can tell you from experience if i wasnt able to see them befor i hit them the damage done would have been far worse.
last week i hit a large doe. and i saw it running out at me. i was able to slam on the brakes and i hit it and it went under my d and it was dead when i got out to shoot it. thankfully. and if i wasnt able to see it like i did. i would be looking for a new vehicle right now. and i was lucky that it didnt do any damage to my vehicle. but that was due to me being able see it befor it ran out into the road.
my point is. with projectors on our vehicles, without using fog lights, you dont get the full range of view, projectors will focus the light more out in front of you instead of a full range. and our stock or after market housings for halogen or hid's provide a full range of view.
what you put on your vehicle is your choice. im not telling anyone to not get projectors.
i prefer halogen or an hid set up. thats all.

 

You have your facts completely backwards/wrong, particularly the ones I underlined and italicized, as you can see from the pictures. HID projectors are wider than any pnp kit hands down. I even showed you that with comparison pictures, so here they are again:

halogens:


pnps:


mini h1 hid projector:


lexus ls460 projector:



You can see that the projectors have the intense light spread out throughout the entire beam, are significantly wider giving more side view illumination, and have less glare to other drivers (you can see even the oem halogens are glaring above where they should be). Again the hid projectors outperform the pnps in every aspect, and I don't know of any way to make this more clear to you.


Here are some more comparison pictures specific to our trucks and headlights.

Here in these first two pictures you can see that pnps in our factory housings for the most part have the same beam pattern as they do with halogens (which typically isn't the case, but it just happens to be with ours). You can then see two pictures I took, which where both taken from the same distance (only difference was in one pic the camera was on the inside of the windshield and in the other it was against the outside of the widshield) with the truck parked in the same location, that the hid projectors outperform the halogens hands down; hell just one hid projector outperforms both halogens.


halogens:


pnps:


halogens:


hid projectors:



Even with the fog lights on, the halogens don't hold a candle to the hid projectors in any way, which brings me to a whole different point. If you drive around with your fog lights on you actually hurt your distance vision from having too much foreground illumination (light immediately in front of the car). This is why most cars headlights start a bit beyond the hood from the drivers perspective. It's also why the fog lights turn off when you turn your high beams on.


What it seems like rit did in their testing was compare pnp bulbs in halogen reflector housings with pnps in halogen projector housings. Halogen projectors are completely different optically than hid projectors, so any of their testing does not apply to comparing hid projectors to pnp bulbs. There is a reason companies like Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Cadillac, and Lexus use HID projectors, and that's because they outperform any other lighting currently available including halogens, hids in halogen reflectors and projectors, and hids in hid reflectors.

 

dud way to over-react, i think the point he was making is that you need to spend the money on a properly designed system, that is all

 

If you're talking to me, nowhere is he mentioning anything about a properly designed system; and I'm not over-reacting all I'm doing is trying to put the correct information out there plainly for others to see because he is posting inaccurate information that could end up misleading someone.

 

I googled HID bulbs in halogen housings and this was the third link on the page. I wouldn't want to be doing that to anybody.

 

he didnt come out and say it, but if you read his post w/ a analytical mind (being an engineer i read EVERYTHING that way) that is what he is trying to get at,

also im sure that not all of your information is correct, when it comes to lighting im no expert(far from it in fact), but i do know that halogens (in reflector housings) are supposed to provide better close range flood lighting than any type of projector housing (HID or halogen), this is information i have from DOING MY JOB and is accurate, unfortunately i cannot share my information sources w/ the general public on this one.

 

That's why you shouldn't throw pnps in most halogen housings.


I'm also an engineer and think analytically and I can tell you that he's not getting at spending money on a properly designed system, that's what I'm suggesting. What he keeps saying to do is to throw pnps in halogen housings which is the cheaper and less effective way compared to projectors.



I think the key word there is supposed to. I can assure you that for our trucks at least that the halogens do not give more close up flood lighting. You can see that in the pictures on my garage door in my one post; the hid projector's beam surpasses the halogens reflector's beam both in terms of area and intensity. You can see the same thing on that ford truck in that same post. The halogen reflectors don't hold a candle to the hid projectors.

I know these aren't the best comparison pictures (the photo from the halogens had to be underexposed so you could clearly see its beam), but you can clearly see that the hids trounce the halogens completely. I'll have to see some time if I can put the halogen light in place along with the hids so you can see that even more clearly.

halogen reflectors:


hid projectors:



You'll also see in these two pictures that neither the halogens or the hids have a flood effect going on right in front of the foreground. This is because having a flood effect going on there hurts your distance vision. If you have bright light right in front of you it causes your pupils to contract and prevent you from seeing things further down the road as well because the light is dimmer, which is why your fog lights turn off with your high beams. This is the same thing that prevents you from seeing whats in the dark behind another car when it's headlights are shining at your face.

Here's a quote directly from a reputable source on both automotive lighting and lighting in general:

 

even assuming that a headlight company knows mucha bout the human body and how it works (it may or may not be true, idk and idc) i know that driving on back roads without street lights, light spread is just as important, if not more so than down road light spread, HIDs give amazing down road light throw, no argument there, however halogens give better close range flood lighting. at work whenever we have to put in close range and/or flood lighting it is ALL HALOGEN, there is a reason for this since money is seldom an issue for these projects they put in what works the best.


what headlights you use depends on your own driving styles, as well as where you drive and what your tolerance is, whenever i am driving my fog lights are on with my low beams for one simple reason, it helps me see better, especially down the shoulder of the road where wildlife tends to stand and behave unpredictably, so for me putting projectors (of any kind) into the truck would likely be a detriment because they have a much more directed beam for better down-road lighting, im not going to continue arguing w/ you about this and you do need to relax a little bit, you are coming off as VERY aggresive about this when its really not that big of a deal.