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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 02:12 AM
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I've used anti-foul adapters over the years and I've never heard of them being illegal. Removing or gutting the converter though is a Federal Offense.
it is when you use them to defeat an emission device.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 06:02 AM
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it is when you use them to defeat an emission device.

I'm well aware that some states are more restrictive than where I live. However, anti-foul adapters keep the plugs from fouling and therefore burn hotter and cleaner with less smoke. Why would that defeat an emissions device?
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 08:57 AM
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The 420 code is "catalyst system efficiency below threshold"
If you gut the converter, you will make that situation worse.
On a nissan, I tried the anti-foulers, and it did not work. Also tried letting the rear sensor hang, and that also set a code.
IMO its best to bite the bullet and fix it. If it turns out to be the converter, make sure you are not having a problem that killed it, ie, bad injector, burning oil, etc.
And FWIW disabling anything emissions wise is a federal crime. In Va at the annual safety inspection, they check to see that the parts are on the vehicle, (even when a actual emissions test is not required)
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by 93 ragtop
The 420 code is "catalyst system efficiency below threshold"
If you gut the converter, you will make that situation worse.
On a nissan, I tried the anti-foulers, and it did not work. Also tried letting the rear sensor hang, and that also set a code.
IMO its best to bite the bullet and fix it. If it turns out to be the converter, make sure you are not having a problem that killed it, ie, bad injector, burning oil, etc.
And FWIW disabling anything emissions wise is a federal crime. In Va at the annual safety inspection, they check to see that the parts are on the vehicle, (even when a actual emissions test is not required)
Nissan's aren't Chryslers.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ol' grouch
I'm well aware that some states are more restrictive than where I live. However, anti-foul adapters keep the plugs from fouling and therefore burn hotter and cleaner with less smoke. Why would that defeat an emissions device?
In this case, the anti-foulers are used on the rear O2 sensor, to keep it a bit more isolated from the exhaust stream, which fools the PCM into thinking the cat is really there, when it isn't.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 00t444e
Nissan's aren't Chryslers.


True, but they are both a gas engine with a basically, the same design and a OBDII system. Both use a forward and rearward o2 sensor.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 11:54 AM
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In this case, the anti-foulers are used on the rear O2 sensor, to keep it a bit more isolated from the exhaust stream, which fools the PCM into thinking the cat is really there, when it isn't.

I'd never heard of that. Then again, I try to live an honest, upstanding life and follow the rule religiously. I also believe in the Easter Bunny and the Christmas Cat Sandy Claws. If you're a good little boy, Sandy Claws will leave presents under the tree. If you're not, he'll leave presents in your shoes,
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 11:59 AM
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So back to the topic, does anyone know if my exhaust clamp idea would work or would it not fit all the way around the cat? I would buy a new one but its 250$ and a waste, I want my truck a little louder, gutting would be the same as buying those universal ones would it not?
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 93 ragtop

True, but they are both a gas engine with a basically, the same design and a OBDII system. Both use a forward and rearward o2 sensor.
Obviously they don't work the same, I have had the cat off of every Chrysler gas vehicle I have owned and never gotten a check engine light after I pulled the rear O2 sensor out.
 
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Old Jan 3, 2020 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 00t444e
Obviously they don't work the same, I have had the cat off of every Chrysler gas vehicle I have owned and never gotten a check engine light after I pulled the rear O2 sensor out.
did you zip tie it to the frame or use an anti fouler?
 
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