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Old 12-14-2011 | 03:02 PM
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I suspect the av-gas still has lead in it..... so, might eat up cat converters as well. Not sure on that though.
The blue gas I get at the airport for my bike is called LL aka low lead. Not sure what that really means but it must have some traces of lead in it otherwise they'd probably call it unleaded I suppose. No cats to worry about on the 2 wheelers though
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 04:20 PM
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In Georgia it's damn near impossible to find ethanol free gas and I'm seeing almost ALL the stations that have had "farm diesel" (which used to sell for about 40% less than regular diesel) is removing it as well.

You can't run it in ANY of these newer diesel trucks with all their emissions crap, but the 5.9 CTD loved it as did my old Ford 7.3 when I had it. I'm thinkin' it's the end of an era - thanks to our tree-huggin' government...
That's only gonna get worse ya know. What with the geneva conference, and all the 'lower carbon emissions' hoopla.

Worst "greenhouse" gas? Water vapor. BAN WATER VAPOR!!!!!
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 04:24 PM
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That's only gonna get worse ya know. What with the geneva conference, and all the 'lower carbon emissions' hoopla.

Worst "greenhouse" gas? Water vapor. BAN WATER VAPOR!!!!!
It's the hip thing lately for all non science practicing "scientists" to blame all the worlds changes on fossil fuels. I recently saw an article where some guy was trying to blame the shift of magnetic north on fossil fuels...though it's been doing that throughout history and well before humans arrived and started driving.
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 04:44 PM
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Well my degree is actually in wildlife biology, although I've NEVER worked a day in the field if you don't count a summer job I had in a state park in Maine when I was in college. I'm as outdoor activity oriented as anyone on this forum and personally I think we need to move toward more environmentally friendly fuels over the long term. BUT you wanna fix something, fix these damn factories who are dumping wastes into drinking water, huge factories pumping all kinds of emissions into the air, COUNTRIES who dump 100% of their wastes into the ocean, etc. These things cause IMMEDIATE and wide scale problems to our environment. Once again, we have those who have the money and the power (and own the huge company offenders) who are gonna stop the little guy from driving his V8 truck on his way to the woods to hunt.

An internal combustion engine releases Hydrocarbons, Carbon Monoxide, Nitrogen, Carbon Dioxide and unburned gasoline vapors into the atmosphere. Carbon Dioxide is the single largest component in exhaust and by volume is about 16X more than the other contaminants combined. ALL responsible scientists report that the single largest concern for our planet is the release of CO2 from vehicles AND TO DATE IT'S THE ONLY EMISSION GAS NOT REGULATED BY ANY EMISSION LAWS...
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 05:31 PM
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ALL responsible scientists report that the single largest concern for our planet is the release of CO2 from vehicles AND TO DATE IT'S THE ONLY EMISSION GAS NOT REGULATED BY ANY EMISSION LAWS...
I can't claim to know the truth since it just isn't my gig but from what I have seen...for every scientist claiming CO2 is a problem there is another crying BS.

Not trying to say you are wrong Hammer, just wondering what your basis for this claim is. I would be interested in reading about well presented evidence supporting both sides of the argument.
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 05:39 PM
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ALL responsible scientists report that the single largest concern for our planet is the release of CO2 from vehicles AND TO DATE IT'S THE ONLY EMISSION GAS NOT REGULATED BY ANY EMISSION LAWS...
Motor vehicle fuel efficiency standards are an indirect though effective regulation of carbon dioxide emissions from motor vehicles. There's really no other way to regulate it.
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 05:40 PM
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I can't claim to know the truth since it just isn't my gig but from what I have seen...for every scientist claiming CO2 is a problem there is another crying BS.
Quit watching Faux News, man. That claim you just made is patently freakin' wrong.
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 05:43 PM
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Quit watching Faux News, man. That claim you just made is patently freakin' wrong.

That there are many claiming BS?? Not wrong at all.

Note I didn't say I necessarily believe it but only that I'd be interested in seeing the data. For example even the wiki link I have just read says it isn't clear whether "global warming" is a direct cause from man-made CO2 or some indirect cause related to something like global deforestation.
 

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Old 12-14-2011 | 05:58 PM
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I know where you are coming from, there is speculation as to whether man's direct increase of the CO2 in the atmosphere is directly responsible for global warming or if it's just the earth's natural climate changes. I'm speaking more in the simple term of increasing CO2 in the atmosphere by 40% since the beginning of the industrial revolution.
But if you want some good reading, do some searching for Kyoto Protocol and the treaty that resulted from it - which basically EVERY industrial country in the world committed to EXCEPT the Ukrain, Russia and The United States. In most countries that have agreed to it, the United States if viewed in about the same manner we view Japan and their unwillingness to subscribe to the Whaling practices that we (and most other countries) subscribe to...
 
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Old 12-14-2011 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Ugly1
That there are many claiming BS?? Not wrong at all.
Yes, actually, it is wrong, if you're counting the scientific community and tallying votes. There is broad general consensus (>90%) in the scientific community that man-made emissions are responsible for current atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

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Note I didn't say I necessarily believe it but only that I'd be interested in seeing the data. For example even the wiki link I have just read says it isn't clear whether "global warming" is a direct cause from man-made CO2 or some indirect cause related to something like global deforestation.
Well, shucks, here's another one at wikipedia.

We're (humans are) dumping ~29 billion tons of CO2 into the atmosphere every year. Only about 40% of our annual output is sequestered by the oceans and green plants, while the remaining 60% stays in the air. Each year we throw out 17.4 billion tons of CO2 that just stays there, year over year over year. How can it NOT futz up the works?

Consider this: Our atmosphere, relatively, is thinner than a sheet of cellophane wrapped tightly around a basketball.
 


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