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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:18 PM
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Is it realistic on a working mans budget to get 450-500 hp and 1100-1200lb ft put of the CR and drive it daily and haul super heavy and not have it melt down?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:19 PM
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also you can run 35's or 315/75R16's on a 2" leveling kit...maybe go 4" if you want to 4x hard and not rub...

don't let these gas guys talk you out of bigger tires and gear crap...no offence guys, but: "you don't know the power of the dark side" lol

turning big tires is effortless for a cummins. we can break them loose easily...
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by nskyline34
Is it realistic on a working mans budget to get 450-500 hp and 1100-1200lb ft put of the CR and drive it daily and haul super heavy and not have it melt down?
it really depends on your budget. your goal HP is easy on a common rail, and its also easy on a 24v. Common rail will cost you more to get into, but it just takes gauges, a clutch, a lift pump, and a programmer to get there.

the 24v is cheaper to get into and it takes a bit more to get there, but that bit more is not very expensive.. you will have less money into the truck out of the gate, and a turbo will cost $300-1200 (depending on what turbo you get), injectors should be around $400 for the size needed. clutch will cost the same for either gen since its the same transmission.

actually you said HO if it was 2nd gen right??? if thats so, add $100 for injector cost...you will need 7x.010s to hit that mark with the HOVP44 pump. SOVP can do it with smaller injectors than the HOVP as it flows about 100-150hp worth of fuel more than the HO does when it comes to wiretap fueling.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Jigabop
also you can run 35's or 315/75R16's on a 2" leveling kit...maybe go 4" if you want to 4x hard and not rub...

don't let these gas guys talk you out of bigger tires and gear crap...no offence guys, but: "you don't know the power of the dark side" lol

turning big tires is effortless for a cummins. we can break them loose easily...
Im not trying to turn him away from doing tires.. I just suggest that a big lift is out of the question for hauling on a daily basis.. Do a leveling kit and 35's but thats about as far as I would go with it on that matter.. I know the power that the Diesels have I have driven them all and used them all in hauling some heavy crap.. If he has a budget of 25k then he could easily get into a good 2nd gen and do some good performance mods to it.. And be making them numbers with money to spare.. Id be looking into something between 99 and 01 for a 2nd gen.. for a 3rd gen I would be from 03-06..
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Jigabop
also you can run 35's or 315/75R16's on a 2" leveling kit...maybe go 4" if you want to 4x hard and not rub...

don't let these gas guys talk you out of bigger tires and gear crap...no offence guys, but: "you don't know the power of the dark side" lol

turning big tires is effortless for a cummins. we can break them loose easily...
Someone who speaks my language! Rolling coal and rolling burnouts
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:36 PM
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Rolling burnouts you say?? They are always fun..

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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:41 PM
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Rolling burnouts you say?? They are always fun..

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With a manual and SRW what kinda power does it take?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:45 PM
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That truck is putting about 1200 ft lbs to the ground.. Sitting on 37's with 4.10 gears..
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dodgetrucker75
the 24v vp44 engine will cost quite a bit more to get the power out of it, with a lot more upgrades needed, and higher HP engines tend to eat up the vp44 quite fast witch is not fun or cheap to mess with
higher HP engines wear VP44s exactly the same as stock engines. if you have the proper fuel pressure at all times the pump stays lubricated and cool and it is not an issue. my vp44 is holding up to over 500hp just fine. it never sees below 15psi of fuel pressure. always been 15-20psi depending on temp outside and how hard I push it. never been able to suck my airdog below 15 though. hard to get it below 16 since my new draw straw and fuel canister.

Originally Posted by Matt Nickerson
^what he said...
Common rail is easier to make power with and the cp3 is much better than the vp44 reliability and power potential wise. The steering is better....they look much better than 2nd gens imo...and towing with lift wont yeild as mich of a problem as these guys make it out to be. However the initial cost of buying a decent 2nd gen vs 3rd gen is much less.
And saying the 24v is better/worse than the CR makes no sense, theyre both 24v lol.

I vote 1st gen cummins like wombatranger has
where to start here....

CP3's fail too, but more often the injectors fail (cracked tips) on common rails. injectors for a CR cost more to replace than replacing a VP44.

and it is scary when a CR injector fails as if the crack is big enough it can actually melt down the cylinder because it will have 100% uncontrolled and unlimited fueling in that cylinder.

as for the first gen vote...marks truck is likely at the goal HP but it is maxed out at that power...a VE pump can only fuel to about 450hp maxed out with injectors... ve pumps were never known for big power. he could convert to p7100 though and make big power..

Originally Posted by dodge_dude94
VP44 is the lift pump on the 2nd gen 24 Valve Cummins engines. CR is Common Rail, I think that was used on the 3rd gen Ram Cummins.


Don't quote me on it though. lol
vp44 is the injection pump, not the lift pump

and yes CR = common rail which is used on all 03 and newer cummins trucks. they have a cp3 for an injection pump which basically only serves the purpose of taking input fuel and pressurizing it to very high pressure levels for the fuel rail which is shared between all of the injectors, then the injectors are computer controlled and opened and closed electronically to release that high pressure via the injector.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 02:49 PM
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Lift pump, injection pump.
I'm a gas guy!
 
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