ok with this other guy talking about a twin turbo setup, haha, i was thinking about any other type of major power adders out there. forced induction, nitrous, stroking, etc. then popped into my head methane injection. ive heard of people running this. its not very popular. thats for sure. i suppose the idea of running anything besides gas, especially water, into a gas engine kind of freaks people out. have any of you heard any yay or nay stories associated with it? i found this website for a universal kit that they offer. www.snowperformance.net check it out.

 

as far as my research has taken me water methanol is primarily used to cool forced induction air charges. almost like a chemical intercooler. i havent heard of anyone using it on non turbo or supercharged vehicles. it is interesting though. im just not sure its that beneficial.

 

and btw, its not methane, its methanol. its close to the same stuff top dragsters use for fuel, nitro methanol

 

I'll get blown over here, and 94 RT, they both are running similar setups.
If tuned correctly, they can help a little bit.

 

thanks for clearing that up

 

yeah. the funny part is the same stuff they use for boost juice, the water methanol mixture, thats actually the exact same thing as 35 below windshield washer fluid.

 

haha...you got to be freakin kiddin me!! wow. i guess that would make sense, even though i dont know the specifics. but funny. i was told by a guy a while back, that had a friend that claimed 28 mpg on a 98 ford 1/2 ton that was totally stock besides the injection kit. its enough for me to question it.

 

Actually, Luke, in some cases, some people will use pure water. Considering that water consists of one hydrogen, and 2oxygens, if it's fogged just right, you can get a boost out of it.

 

Thank you for the invite Laramie. With water injection cooling there are two main types of alcohol used. Denatured alcohol (Ethanol) and Methanol. Personally I have found for a combination of cooling and adding power a mixture of denatured alcohol, Meth and distilled water are the way to go. I have created an excel spreadsheet with my calcuators on it. If you would like, I can email it to you and you can input your engine data and find the best flow rate.

Here is the thread on my system.
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen...-complete.html

Variables (Fluid)
Plenum Pressure 11.00000 PSI
% Air/Fuel vs. Alcohol/Water 12.50000 % Mix
Engine RPM 500.00000 RPM
Timing Retard 10.00000 Deg BTDC
Engine Temp 180.00000 Deg F
Ambient Temp (Air Sensor) 75.00000 Deg F
% Alcohol Vs. Water (By Weight) 50.00000 % Alcohol
Fuel Inj Duty Cycle 85.00000 %(%*10 = Msec)
Pump Press 70.00000 PSI
Fuel vs. Air % 14.00000 % Fuel
Stats Value Unit
Max Fuel Inj Vol @100% Duty Cycle 403.53213 CC/Min (EA)
Max Alcohol Inj Vol @100% Duty Cycle 792.50721 CC/Min (EA)
Required Alcohol Inj Vol for % Mix 446.05660 CC/Min (TOT) 223.02830 CC/Min (EA)
CYL Volume (Not Compressed) 58.76250 CC
CYL Volume (Compressed)(Retard MOD) 6.05799 CC
CYL Pressure (Not Compressed) PSI (Absolute)
CYL Pressure (Compressed) PSI
Realtime Compression Ratio 31.96982 X:1
CYL Temp (Not Compressed) Deg F
CYL Temp (Compressed) Deg F
Air Volume (By Weight) 3225.45048 CC/CYL 25.80360384 CC/CST/CYL
Fuel Volume (By Weight) 343.00231 CC/MIN/CYL 2.744018468 CC/CST/CYL
Alcohol Volume (By Weight) 223.02830 CC/MIN/CYL 1.784226394 CC/CST/CYL
Water Volume (By Weight) 223.02830 CC/MIN/CYL 1.784226394 CC/CST/CYL
Variables (Static) Value Unit
Engine Displacement 4.70100 Liter
Number of Cyl 8.00000 EA
Stock Compression Ratio 9.70000 X:1
Engine Stroke Count 4.00000 EA
Fuel Rail Press 43.00000 PSI
Fuel Injector Press Rating 47.00000 PSI
Fuel Injector Flow Rating 441.07000 CC/Min
Alcohol Injector Pressure Rating 43.00000 PSI
Alcohol Injector Flow Rating 577.59000 CC/Min
Stock Idle Timing Retard 10.00000 Deg BTDC
Alcohol Vapor Density vs. Air 1.60000 X:1
Alcohol Flash Point 73.00000 Deg F
Alcohol Auto Ignt Temp 363.00000 Deg F
Alcohol Lower Expl Limit 3.30000 %
Alcohol Upper Expl Limit 19.00000 %
97 Oct Vapor Density vs. Air 2.07792 X:1
97 Oct Boiling Point -18.00000 Deg F
97 Oct Auto Ignt Temp 495.00000 Deg F
97 Oct Lower Expl Limit 1.40000 %
97 Oct Upper Expl Limit 7.60000 %
1 Lb of H2O 47.31760 CC
1 Lb of Air 264554.70000 CC
1 Lb of Fuel 630.12000 CC
1 Lb of Alcohol 485.19289 CC
Idle Vac Press -8.00000 PSI
Required Alcohol Inj Duty Cycle F MAX HP 28.14212 % 281.4211614 Msec
Calculator

 

yeah. its supposed to do great things for your gas mileage. and add big hp numbers. the only catch is that ive never seen it used on a non forced induction motor. even on the snow performance website i didnt see a kit that wasnt a boost cooler. i guess if you could figure a way to make it work youd be the man. but it would be difficult. diesel guys swear by them, but theyre turbo engines. adding fuel to a naturally aspirated motor is touchy. forced induction motors can control how much air is pumped in, but NA motors can only suck so much.