Lift kit
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05-20-2010 | 11:35 AM
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#23
05-20-2010 | 01:55 PM
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madonna and britney eh? hahahahahahaha
tipsy equals fun. you should see some of the stuff i've DONE..... i dont' think many fullsize guys would even look at it
those lil' jeeps can go some nifty places 
quote" It's probably a minority opinion this day, but still a shared one...is that it takes a bit more skill to properly science out a lift and tire/wheel combo that'll work in 99+% of all opportunities than just hack the bejeezus outta something." quote
the better science is to make a suspension work around a tire size. my science includes gear ratio, lockers, axle size and tire size; then make the lift work. i posted my jeep for this; gears/axles, ratios. all figured out. make em fit afterwards i've got 4" susp. and 2" bodylift. but then again, i spent 5K on my axles alone....... springs are 500$
the suspension/tire ratio works good on trucks that spend 95% on the road.
i should clarify too, i don't plan on hacking out fenders. thats redneck and stupid. but if i'm JUST clipping my front bumper turning, i'm not spending 1000$ to lift it another 3" and making it more tipsy <insert reason here) when i can take a dremel or sawzall, take off an inch of bumper and presto... they fit!
sorry for the essay. really enjoying this thread.
for what its worth; most of my lift stuff is in; stock diesel coils (stock) for the front, new leafs with a 2" AAL in the rear, and new shocks. don't know when i'll get it into the truck, but i figure 33s fit stock and don't rub, another inch wiht a 3" lift should look good and work just fine. (cept gearing)
madonna and britney eh? hahahahahahaha
tipsy equals fun. you should see some of the stuff i've DONE..... i dont' think many fullsize guys would even look at it
those lil' jeeps can go some nifty places quote" It's probably a minority opinion this day, but still a shared one...is that it takes a bit more skill to properly science out a lift and tire/wheel combo that'll work in 99+% of all opportunities than just hack the bejeezus outta something." quote
the better science is to make a suspension work around a tire size. my science includes gear ratio, lockers, axle size and tire size; then make the lift work. i posted my jeep for this; gears/axles, ratios. all figured out. make em fit afterwards
i've got 4" susp. and 2" bodylift. but then again, i spent 5K on my axles alone....... springs are 500$the suspension/tire ratio works good on trucks that spend 95% on the road.
i should clarify too, i don't plan on hacking out fenders. thats redneck and stupid. but if i'm JUST clipping my front bumper turning, i'm not spending 1000$ to lift it another 3" and making it more tipsy <insert reason here) when i can take a dremel or sawzall, take off an inch of bumper and presto... they fit!
sorry for the essay. really enjoying this thread.
for what its worth; most of my lift stuff is in; stock diesel coils (stock) for the front, new leafs with a 2" AAL in the rear, and new shocks. don't know when i'll get it into the truck, but i figure 33s fit stock and don't rub, another inch wiht a 3" lift should look good and work just fine. (cept gearing)
#24
05-20-2010 | 02:33 PM
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ooops sorry. its a 2001 1500 4x4 auto. short cab/bed. exhaust and tires are only thing not stock. if anything i need a leveling kit. but thats for my personal. the only time it rubs is when i turn the wheel all the way to a direction
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#25
05-20-2010 | 03:00 PM
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"i should clarify too, i don't plan on hacking out fenders. thats redneck and stupid."
Really? Hhhmmm..... I suppose it depends on what you are going for. If you want to fit 40 inch tires in there, and still be able to have some suspension articulation, how much lift are you going to need to get there WITHOUT removing some of the obstacles?
For a street driven vehicle, lift laws are becoming a bit of a pain as well. You may want larger tires, but, cannot legally lift the truck far enough to clear them. What choice do you get? Let the tires modify the body? (and themselves in the bargain....) Or do what needs to be done, to have a working system?
Not to mention that the mere act of lifting your truck alters its stability. Having the huge amount of weight at the end of a longer moment arm, IS going to have an affect. Some of this is compensated for by having wider rims/tires, thus, increasing the track width. (and the leverage exerted on your springs, when you go around a corner......) Everything is a compromise. I don't expect my truck to be able to pull a full G going around a corner, but, you can bet that if it is lifted 12 inches, you are going to have to dramatically alter your driving style to suit.
Of course, we ARE driving trucks, they are NOT intended to be backstreet weapons, and corner like they are on rails. So, a lot of the driving style adjustments are simply implied for a modified truck.
Fender/bumper/whathaveyou trimming isn't 'wrong' per se, just a matter of what the owner wants to accomplish. Granted, there are 'right ways' and 'wrong ways' to do anything. I had to alter my fenders on my S-10 to fit 31's, and had no desire to spend 1000+ dollars on a 3" lift kit, when less than 200 for some nice custom flares would accomplish the same thing (along with AAL, and a torsion bar tweak), for a fraction the cost.
Not everyone has several thousand dollars to throw at a problem. Sometimes, ya just gotta work with what you have.
Really? Hhhmmm..... I suppose it depends on what you are going for. If you want to fit 40 inch tires in there, and still be able to have some suspension articulation, how much lift are you going to need to get there WITHOUT removing some of the obstacles?
For a street driven vehicle, lift laws are becoming a bit of a pain as well. You may want larger tires, but, cannot legally lift the truck far enough to clear them. What choice do you get? Let the tires modify the body? (and themselves in the bargain....) Or do what needs to be done, to have a working system?
Not to mention that the mere act of lifting your truck alters its stability. Having the huge amount of weight at the end of a longer moment arm, IS going to have an affect. Some of this is compensated for by having wider rims/tires, thus, increasing the track width. (and the leverage exerted on your springs, when you go around a corner......) Everything is a compromise. I don't expect my truck to be able to pull a full G going around a corner, but, you can bet that if it is lifted 12 inches, you are going to have to dramatically alter your driving style to suit.
Of course, we ARE driving trucks, they are NOT intended to be backstreet weapons, and corner like they are on rails. So, a lot of the driving style adjustments are simply implied for a modified truck.
Fender/bumper/whathaveyou trimming isn't 'wrong' per se, just a matter of what the owner wants to accomplish. Granted, there are 'right ways' and 'wrong ways' to do anything. I had to alter my fenders on my S-10 to fit 31's, and had no desire to spend 1000+ dollars on a 3" lift kit, when less than 200 for some nice custom flares would accomplish the same thing (along with AAL, and a torsion bar tweak), for a fraction the cost.
Not everyone has several thousand dollars to throw at a problem. Sometimes, ya just gotta work with what you have.
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05-20-2010 | 03:25 PM
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for what its worth; most of my lift stuff is in; stock diesel coils (stock) for the front, new leafs with a 2" AAL in the rear, and new shocks. don't know when i'll get it into the truck, but i figure 33s fit stock and don't rub, another inch wiht a 3" lift should look good and work just fine. (cept gearing)
for what its worth; most of my lift stuff is in; stock diesel coils (stock) for the front, new leafs with a 2" AAL in the rear, and new shocks. don't know when i'll get it into the truck, but i figure 33s fit stock and don't rub, another inch wiht a 3" lift should look good and work just fine. (cept gearing)
Except I think I will do a 3" body lift on top of diesel coils, leafs in back and new shocks. Low budget...
#27
05-20-2010 | 03:31 PM
I love following Jeeps...It really pisses them off when you do something with a truck they don't think you can, or shouldn't.
EDIT: Expect some body damage...and occasionally begrudging respect. More former than later.
Granted when you lift a truck (properly) you increase its geometry and change its stability. If you've done it correctly, the factory specs for alignment should be retained. I don't expect my handling to deteriorate exponentialy based on my lift. It's no different than lifting say...a Jeep, then adding offset wheels, wider differentials or wheel spacers to increase stability and tire clearance. I've talked to Jeep owners whose dynatrac danas aren't much narrower than my rams differentials.
Granted there's not as much sheet metal as the Dodge, or it's been hacked away, but if you wanted a jeep...
Lift laws...like any other "law" these have a come about because people either run hacked up unsafe lifts that cause injury or death, or they misused a properly lifted vehicle with the same results. With the right media coverage, it could happen with those who cut thier fenders for clearance, if someone dies from it. Legislation now replaces personal responsibility.
Perhaps the point(s) I was trying to make earlier is that if one compromises something for whatever that reason, and consequences arise, lawyers and legislators will work out the details, and we ALL lose.
EDIT: Expect some body damage...and occasionally begrudging respect. More former than later.
Granted when you lift a truck (properly) you increase its geometry and change its stability. If you've done it correctly, the factory specs for alignment should be retained. I don't expect my handling to deteriorate exponentialy based on my lift. It's no different than lifting say...a Jeep, then adding offset wheels, wider differentials or wheel spacers to increase stability and tire clearance. I've talked to Jeep owners whose dynatrac danas aren't much narrower than my rams differentials.
Granted there's not as much sheet metal as the Dodge, or it's been hacked away, but if you wanted a jeep...
Lift laws...like any other "law" these have a come about because people either run hacked up unsafe lifts that cause injury or death, or they misused a properly lifted vehicle with the same results. With the right media coverage, it could happen with those who cut thier fenders for clearance, if someone dies from it. Legislation now replaces personal responsibility.
Perhaps the point(s) I was trying to make earlier is that if one compromises something for whatever that reason, and consequences arise, lawyers and legislators will work out the details, and we ALL lose.
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#28
05-20-2010 | 03:34 PM
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#29
05-21-2010 | 01:10 AM
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"i should clarify too, i don't plan on hacking out fenders. thats redneck and stupid."
Really? Hhhmmm..... I suppose it depends on what you are going for. If you want to fit 40 inch tires in there, and still be able to have some suspension articulation, how much lift are you going to need to get there WITHOUT removing some of the obstacles?
For a street driven vehicle, lift laws are becoming a bit of a pain as well. You may want larger tires, but, cannot legally lift the truck far enough to clear them. What choice do you get? Let the tires modify the body? (and themselves in the bargain....) Or do what needs to be done, to have a working system?
Not to mention that the mere act of lifting your truck alters its stability. Having the huge amount of weight at the end of a longer moment arm, IS going to have an affect. Some of this is compensated for by having wider rims/tires, thus, increasing the track width. (and the leverage exerted on your springs, when you go around a corner......) Everything is a compromise. I don't expect my truck to be able to pull a full G going around a corner, but, you can bet that if it is lifted 12 inches, you are going to have to dramatically alter your driving style to suit.
Of course, we ARE driving trucks, they are NOT intended to be backstreet weapons, and corner like they are on rails. So, a lot of the driving style adjustments are simply implied for a modified truck.
Fender/bumper/whathaveyou trimming isn't 'wrong' per se, just a matter of what the owner wants to accomplish. Granted, there are 'right ways' and 'wrong ways' to do anything. I had to alter my fenders on my S-10 to fit 31's, and had no desire to spend 1000+ dollars on a 3" lift kit, when less than 200 for some nice custom flares would accomplish the same thing (along with AAL, and a torsion bar tweak), for a fraction the cost.
Not everyone has several thousand dollars to throw at a problem. Sometimes, ya just gotta work with what you have.
Really? Hhhmmm..... I suppose it depends on what you are going for. If you want to fit 40 inch tires in there, and still be able to have some suspension articulation, how much lift are you going to need to get there WITHOUT removing some of the obstacles?
For a street driven vehicle, lift laws are becoming a bit of a pain as well. You may want larger tires, but, cannot legally lift the truck far enough to clear them. What choice do you get? Let the tires modify the body? (and themselves in the bargain....) Or do what needs to be done, to have a working system?
Not to mention that the mere act of lifting your truck alters its stability. Having the huge amount of weight at the end of a longer moment arm, IS going to have an affect. Some of this is compensated for by having wider rims/tires, thus, increasing the track width. (and the leverage exerted on your springs, when you go around a corner......) Everything is a compromise. I don't expect my truck to be able to pull a full G going around a corner, but, you can bet that if it is lifted 12 inches, you are going to have to dramatically alter your driving style to suit.
Of course, we ARE driving trucks, they are NOT intended to be backstreet weapons, and corner like they are on rails. So, a lot of the driving style adjustments are simply implied for a modified truck.
Fender/bumper/whathaveyou trimming isn't 'wrong' per se, just a matter of what the owner wants to accomplish. Granted, there are 'right ways' and 'wrong ways' to do anything. I had to alter my fenders on my S-10 to fit 31's, and had no desire to spend 1000+ dollars on a 3" lift kit, when less than 200 for some nice custom flares would accomplish the same thing (along with AAL, and a torsion bar tweak), for a fraction the cost.
Not everyone has several thousand dollars to throw at a problem. Sometimes, ya just gotta work with what you have.
and for the record I've never driven anything that could perform as well offroad and my old lifted jeep wrangler...I do miss it..
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#30
05-21-2010 | 10:23 AM
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Augie, if you were to get that king coilover setup and tires like Archer on pavementsucks has then I bet your truck would hang with most jeeps on the trail today.
Just gotta think big tires, enough lift to keep them from rubbing, articulation, enough motor to turn the tires, correct gears and lockers. Of course it takes a fat bank account for all that crap and that's why most people just go with the bigger tires and a cheap lift (like me).
Just gotta think big tires, enough lift to keep them from rubbing, articulation, enough motor to turn the tires, correct gears and lockers. Of course it takes a fat bank account for all that crap and that's why most people just go with the bigger tires and a cheap lift (like me).