Cool story bro. My Expedition rolls on D44 snouts.

 

Bullsh!t, I've had it on several scales, it's over 4000lbs stock, currently over 4300. The lightest 1st gens are in the 3400lb range.

What about D44 balljoints, or axle shafts? And again the Dodge D44 doesn't have spindles.

Your expedition isn't putting low range torque through a D44 nor is it doing it on rocks, trails, and mudpits. And it's also on 34" tires.

 

My '99 Ram 1500 extended cab regular bed on the scale with me sitting it, 5425 lbs. If I where rolling on 38's, that weight would be even higher. Wouldn't take much gear and a few passengers to be at almost 6000lbs. Your internet links are cute, but i'm talking real world weight on the ground.

I'm not doubting that D44's can take a lot of abuse. They've been used in all kinds of 4x4's for a long time, so there is a reason for that. But it has been pretty much proven that running something like 38's on them, especially if you wheel it, is not going to last you very long. But hey, people are welcome to do what they like and see how far it gets them. Wouldn't want to be in the desert when my D44 self destructs on me though.

 

My '98 RCSB 1500 5.9 with 2" coil spacers, 3" body lift and 35s weighed in at just shy of 6000# with my a$$ sitting in it and a couple hundred pounds in the toolbox.

My '04 QCSB 1500 Hemi with 4" suspension lift and 35s weighs in at just over 7000# with my a$$ sitting in it, winch and prolly 250# of crap in the toolbox.

That's if the scales at the local landfill ain't lyin'...

 

I don't know why men have this weight complex about their trucks, its pretty funny. Why would Chrysler and published materials lie about the weight of a vehicle?

Please, someone enlighten me.

 

Who says they are lying?

If you take the el-stripo-deluxe, 2wd version, with no fluids, (how curb weight used to be calculated, not sure if that ever changed.) manual trans, etc..... the numbers are going to be much lower than what a "real" customer buys.

 

I have no weight complex about my trucks. I weigh them.


FWIW I've wheeled with this guy, he has a spooled D44 with 39.5s. He hasn't broken it yet but he takes it pretty easy, it's a light rig and wheels in slick conditions but if he binds that thing up it'll snap a shaft with ease. And it's not a daily driver nor street legal so he doesn't have to worry about bearings and balljoints on the road.
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I've already provided multiple links showing the published weights of multiple configurations of the same truck, including GVWR. The number you all love to go by is that maximum legal load number on your door.



Published numbers > what you "saw on the scale". Chrysler CANT lie about that ****, especially when they aren't even who does that testing. It's the NHTSA. Go look up the weight of any comparable truck, it will be about the same.

 

Actually, I wasn't disputing your findings or any weights published by Chrysler. I was posting weights up to show how fast your weight goes up when you start adding lift kits, larger tires, grill guards, winches and are carrying tools, recovery gear, a welder, etc. in a truck as I do...

HOWEVER:

WRONG!!! Manufacturers have been lying about vehicle weights and capacities for years. Which is one reason why SAE J2807 has been passed and all manufacturers must comply by the 2013 model year for US sales.

To comply with J2807 the SAE states "a vehicle's weight must be determined by including all options in the truck with a 33% or greater sales penetration, so no longer can a manufacturer weigh a truck with much lighter manual controlled seating, and without other items found in most trucks produced such as power windows and sunroofs".

While not about vehicle weight, Toyota has been misrepresenting GCW and tow capacities for years and had made a move to "correct" these oversights before J2807 is enacted. Toyota has also been fined in the past for misrepresenting fuel economy ratings across their entire vehicle line.

In a vehicle that remained largely unchanged from 2010 to 2011, Toyota has dropped GCW in it's CrewMax by 700 lbs. from 16,000 to 15,300. Maximum tow ratings have been reduced by a whopping 1100 pounds from 10,100 to 9000!

The "Big 3" American truck manufacturers are expected to make similar listed capacity and weights changes prior to 2013 as well. For years, companies have made untrue claims about lighter and lighter trucks getting better and better fuel economy while being able to tow/haul more and more weight.

So, it is fact that up to 2013 when J2807 goes into effect, THEY CAN LIE AND DO!!!

 

Why would WE lie about the known weights of our trucks? I'm not going by the weight on my door label, I have no idea what that even says. What i'm going by is the real world weight of my truck when it sits on a balanced and certified scale.

I know you want to just take this into the weeds, but you are simply missing the overall point that we all are making. Regardless of the EXACT weight of our trucks, they are heavy - 38" tires are big and heavy - that's a lot of stress on a D44 that it is not originally made for in stock configuration. Period.