Axle Gearing
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Haha our 1/2 ton is rated at 7700lbs GCWR. Seriuosly. That's what the manual and bumper says. It's just a LD 3/4 ton under disguise to get around California Emmissions. Dodge has done that several times.
Also we have the 14.5" Disc brakes and 14" Drums on the rear so got good brakes. Despite it being only a vacuum booster it still brakes 10000lbs without a brake controller fairly well.
Also we have the 14.5" Disc brakes and 14" Drums on the rear so got good brakes. Despite it being only a vacuum booster it still brakes 10000lbs without a brake controller fairly well.
Right out of the 96 owner’s manual, page 128
When hauling cargo or towing a trailer, do not over-load your vehicle or trailer. Overloading can cause a loss of control, poor performance or damage to brakes, axle, engine, transmission, suspension, body structure or tires.
From the same book page 131, 1500 4wd 5.9 all axle ratios, GCWR (gross combined weight rating) is 12,500 lbs, max trailer weight is 7700lbs.
Where are you getting the size of those brake's from? is it a aftermarket kit or? I would like to see this set-up with a tape measure on the rotor.
1500 Dana 44 Front are 11.6, rear shoes are 11x2
2500 Dana 60 front rotors are 12.50, rear shoes are 13x2.5
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Not trying to be a dick but I honestly dont think it handles 15k like your saying it does.. NO 1500 will.. I just have a hard time accepting it.. Ive hauled many different loads around that weight range if not more and I was doing that in a Cummins and there is times I still wish I had more truck... Even if your truck can handle it like you say you are gettin awful close to pushing the limits of a class C license... I am really interested in a build sheet and some pictures of the suspension setup along with a picture fully loaded... Just for ***** and giggles..
Right out of the 96 owner’s manual, page 128
When hauling cargo or towing a trailer, do not over-load your vehicle or trailer. Overloading can cause a loss of control, poor performance or damage to brakes, axle, engine, transmission, suspension, body structure or tires.
From the same book page 131, 1500 4wd 5.9 all axle ratios, GCWR (gross combined weight rating) is 12,500 lbs, max trailer weight is 7700lbs.
Where are you getting the size of those brake's from? is it a aftermarket kit or? I would like to see this set-up with a tape measure on the rotor.
1500 Dana 44 Front are 11.6, rear shoes are 11x2
2500 Dana 60 front rotors are 12.50, rear shoes are 13x2.5[/QUOTE]
It's got Dana 44 up front and Chrysler 9 1/4 out rear. On Monday I will get some pics of the equipment id tag on the inside of the hood.
Max trailer weight is 7700lbs according to manual.
Yes I understand about the dangers of overloading, but it sure don't feel overloaded. So like I said I will post some pics and more data on Monday. I do wanna get this figured out 'cause it is very interesting.
The Light Duty 3/4 tons were rated at 7400 gvw, while the HD's were rated at 8800. The LDs still had the larger brakes, which is where a lot of your tow rating comes from. Sure, the frames are pretty much identical..... but that's where the similarities end.
Should something unfortunate happen while hauling over-loaded, your insurance company has every right to refuse the claim. Read the fine print.
That said..... In Iowa, I am going to guess that the land is about as flat as it gets.... very few if any hills at all, so, it's not AS much of an issue... but, it's still an issue.
Should something unfortunate happen while hauling over-loaded, your insurance company has every right to refuse the claim. Read the fine print.
That said..... In Iowa, I am going to guess that the land is about as flat as it gets.... very few if any hills at all, so, it's not AS much of an issue... but, it's still an issue.
Haha our 1/2 ton is rated at 7700lbs GCWR. Seriuosly. That's what the manual and bumper says. It's just a LD 3/4 ton under disguise to get around California Emmissions. Dodge has done that several times.
Also we have the 14.5" Disc brakes and 14" Drums on the rear so got good brakes. Despite it being only a vacuum booster it still brakes 10000lbs without a brake controller fairly well.
Frame on this one is the same one as they used on 3/4 and 3/4HD. I checked.
In SE Iowa there are TONS of hills. And not easy hills either. Like I said it handles very well. No sway, easy braking, suspension doesn't give a hoot. We have some special shocks in the rear that have 1/2 coil springs on them. They are very stiff when not under load but put a heavy trailer on it and they ride very smooth.
I've said it several times, but I am gonna have to get a build sheet.
Also we have the 14.5" Disc brakes and 14" Drums on the rear so got good brakes. Despite it being only a vacuum booster it still brakes 10000lbs without a brake controller fairly well.
Frame on this one is the same one as they used on 3/4 and 3/4HD. I checked.
In SE Iowa there are TONS of hills. And not easy hills either. Like I said it handles very well. No sway, easy braking, suspension doesn't give a hoot. We have some special shocks in the rear that have 1/2 coil springs on them. They are very stiff when not under load but put a heavy trailer on it and they ride very smooth.
I've said it several times, but I am gonna have to get a build sheet.
It probably does well because you and dad keep it maintained and probably don't try to tow at 70 mph. When you go slow, stay cautious, take your time, and know your limits these things are possible. If you try to tell me that you pull all that shiz at freeway speeds I will remember to never visit SE Iowa.
my 2001, is only rated at 7250 gross trailer weight, and yes, i have overloaded it a couple times, but by only about 750-1k pounds over.. not double the weight, like you did.
when i overloaded mine, i didnt travel very far. and i wasnt driving at freeway speeds either.
the picture you posted with the trailer and the bed loaded down with hay, i dont know how much it weighed, but your wheels were barely on the ground.. just sayin.
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Yep, gonna get pics for y'all as soon as I can. I sent in for a build sheet. I'm gonna have to prove this one.
Right out of the 96 owner’s manual, page 128
When hauling cargo or towing a trailer, do not over-load your vehicle or trailer. Overloading can cause a loss of control, poor performance or damage to brakes, axle, engine, transmission, suspension, body structure or tires.
From the same book page 131, 1500 4wd 5.9 all axle ratios, GCWR (gross combined weight rating) is 12,500 lbs, max trailer weight is 7700lbs.
Where are you getting the size of those brake's from? is it a aftermarket kit or? I would like to see this set-up with a tape measure on the rotor.
1500 Dana 44 Front are 11.6, rear shoes are 11x2
2500 Dana 60 front rotors are 12.50, rear shoes are 13x2.5
Right out of the 96 owner’s manual, page 128
When hauling cargo or towing a trailer, do not over-load your vehicle or trailer. Overloading can cause a loss of control, poor performance or damage to brakes, axle, engine, transmission, suspension, body structure or tires.
From the same book page 131, 1500 4wd 5.9 all axle ratios, GCWR (gross combined weight rating) is 12,500 lbs, max trailer weight is 7700lbs.
Where are you getting the size of those brake's from? is it a aftermarket kit or? I would like to see this set-up with a tape measure on the rotor.
1500 Dana 44 Front are 11.6, rear shoes are 11x2
2500 Dana 60 front rotors are 12.50, rear shoes are 13x2.5
Max trailer weight is 7700lbs according to manual.
Yes I understand about the dangers of overloading, but it sure don't feel overloaded. So like I said I will post some pics and more data on Monday. I do wanna get this figured out 'cause it is very interesting.[/QUOTE]
Go have another beer and stop waisting peoples time!
It's got Dana 44 up front and Chrysler 9 1/4 out rear. On Monday I will get some pics of the equipment id tag on the inside of the hood.
Max trailer weight is 7700lbs according to manual.
Yes I understand about the dangers of overloading, but it sure don't feel overloaded. So like I said I will post some pics and more data on Monday. I do wanna get this figured out 'cause it is very interesting.
Go have another beer and stop waisting peoples time!
Max trailer weight is 7700lbs according to manual.
Yes I understand about the dangers of overloading, but it sure don't feel overloaded. So like I said I will post some pics and more data on Monday. I do wanna get this figured out 'cause it is very interesting.
Go have another beer and stop waisting peoples time!
agreed!!
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I'm really, really glad that the continental divide is between us and would weed you out of the gene pool should you try to get too near me with 15,000 pounds behind your truck. There is nothing special about your damned truck, and nothing special about the damned driver, either. It's unsafe. Period.
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NV4500 is not geared low. .75 overdrive is not low. Yes it has a 5.61 1st gear, but the trans as a whole is not geared low.
Do you know the difference between GVWR and GCWR? They are completely different.
It probably does well because you and dad keep it maintained and probably don't try to tow at 70 mph. When you go slow, stay cautious, take your time, and know your limits these things are possible. If you try to tell me that you pull all that shiz at freeway speeds I will remember to never visit SE Iowa.
Do you know the difference between GVWR and GCWR? They are completely different.
It probably does well because you and dad keep it maintained and probably don't try to tow at 70 mph. When you go slow, stay cautious, take your time, and know your limits these things are possible. If you try to tell me that you pull all that shiz at freeway speeds I will remember to never visit SE Iowa.
No we never go 70MPH under load because with the auto it would take 2nd gear and 4000RPM. Also to much danger of swaying if there is too much wind at that speed. Usual is 55MPH, maybe 60 on the interstate if conditions are right.
you do understand also, that the stock hitch on our trucks is only rated at 10k pounds max, and thats with a weight dist. setup, right? i am sure as hell glad im in New Hampshire, and not anywhere near you.
my 2001, is only rated at 7250 gross trailer weight, and yes, i have overloaded it a couple times, but by only about 750-1k pounds over.. not double the weight, like you did.
when i overloaded mine, i didnt travel very far. and i wasnt driving at freeway speeds either.
the picture you posted with the trailer and the bed loaded down with hay, i dont know how much it weighed, but your wheels were barely on the ground.. just sayin.
my 2001, is only rated at 7250 gross trailer weight, and yes, i have overloaded it a couple times, but by only about 750-1k pounds over.. not double the weight, like you did.
when i overloaded mine, i didnt travel very far. and i wasnt driving at freeway speeds either.
the picture you posted with the trailer and the bed loaded down with hay, i dont know how much it weighed, but your wheels were barely on the ground.. just sayin.
Wheels barely on the ground? Ha no. You don't know what you're talking about. They had great contact on the ground that time. The longer trailer enables us to balance weight much better. When we used to run hay inside the 16 ft stock trailer, we had some hay that was a little more wet than normal. That prevented us from using high beam because the front end was up too high. Since then I almost entirely refuse to use the stock trailer for running hay as it doesn't balance as good and ads 5000 extra lbs due to the extra metal.
Now we are talking about filming hay day episodes. Sorry guys, but you DFers are the only ones beside the Dodge dealer (who doesn't approve of any body working on their own vehicles) that are being so hard about it. I've talked to numerous independent mechanics shops and they all thought it was properly equipped to handle such loads. Seriously. So I don't understand the concern, but I do appreciate your concern for our safety. Like I said I'm gonna do some more explaining later. Oh and build sheet came in. I'll post it later.
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I'm really, really glad that the continental divide is between us and would weed you out of the gene pool should you try to get too near me with 15,000 pounds behind your truck. There is nothing special about your damned truck, and nothing special about the damned driver, either. It's unsafe. Period.
Edit: I was wrong. No need to say what I said.
Last edited by aofarrell2; Jan 7, 2013 at 12:22 PM.
Yes I know the difference... Well I used to LOL... I have to refresh my memory.
No we never go 70MPH under load because with the auto it would take 2nd gear and 4000RPM. Also to much danger of swaying if there is too much wind at that speed. Usual is 55MPH, maybe 60 on the interstate if conditions are right.
I have a class IV bumper hitch. All towing equipment is Class IV or better.
Wheels barely on the ground? Ha no. You don't know what you're talking about. They had great contact on the ground that time.
No we never go 70MPH under load because with the auto it would take 2nd gear and 4000RPM. Also to much danger of swaying if there is too much wind at that speed. Usual is 55MPH, maybe 60 on the interstate if conditions are right.
I have a class IV bumper hitch. All towing equipment is Class IV or better.
Wheels barely on the ground? Ha no. You don't know what you're talking about. They had great contact on the ground that time.
you honestly should be using a gooseneck, or a 5th wheel hitch to tow that kinda weight, which your truck still isnt designed to tow.
as far as your wheels being on the ground or not, yeah theyre touching, but barely. i do know what im talking about, as far as towing goes. and im smart enough to know where my trucks limits are.
i honestly hope you get nabbed by the po-po very soon while doing this. that way you will hopefully get slammed with the book. maybe someday you will learn its unsafe to overload your truck that much.
for you to learn, it may take a family member, or some innocent bystander being killed from your own stupidity. i hope it doesnt have to go that far, but it just may.