Transmission Won't Shift Into Third Gear
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My 01 Ram has been suffering the trans upshifting problem that seems fairly common.
It wouldn't upshift so what I would have to do was drive it, put it in neutral, back into drive, let the trans shift through all gears without any throttle input, then proceed to accelerate.
I recently changed the Governor Pressure Switch and Solenoid, changed trans filter while I was there and topped off the trans with Mopar atf+4.
Now 1-2 shifts fine but I no longer get any shifts above that. Not even with using the method I used before replacing the solenoids. It does shift fine through all gears when cold though.
No check engine light at this time. I didn't adjust any bands or anything like that.
Any ideas? I am a Dodge noob so any help is appreciated...
It wouldn't upshift so what I would have to do was drive it, put it in neutral, back into drive, let the trans shift through all gears without any throttle input, then proceed to accelerate.
I recently changed the Governor Pressure Switch and Solenoid, changed trans filter while I was there and topped off the trans with Mopar atf+4.
Now 1-2 shifts fine but I no longer get any shifts above that. Not even with using the method I used before replacing the solenoids. It does shift fine through all gears when cold though.
No check engine light at this time. I didn't adjust any bands or anything like that.
Any ideas? I am a Dodge noob so any help is appreciated...
Last edited by MBTech; 10-08-2013 at 08:21 AM.
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It sound like the common problem with the seals inside the transmission. Over time and the heat from the fluid, the seals will get hard and start leaking fluid pass the seals when the fluid gets hot. I have had the transmission get up to 55 mph before it would up shift into 3rd. I believe the is a seal softner at autozone, but that just a guess. You can try that or replace the seals in the transmission.
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It sound like the common problem with the seals inside the transmission. Over time and the heat from the fluid, the seals will get hard and start leaking fluid pass the seals when the fluid gets hot. I have had the transmission get up to 55 mph before it would up shift into 3rd. I believe the is a seal softner at autozone, but that just a guess. You can try that or replace the seals in the transmission.
What components are involved in the 2-3 upshift? Just wondering because I am thinking about dropping the pan again and adjusting both band to see if that helps but if the bands have nothing to do with the 2-3 upshift (in terms of not shifting, I understand a loose band would cause a "slipping shift" but would it/does it cause a no shift condition?) I don't want to waste my time and money for more fluid.
Also, there were a lot of shavings in the pan. I know this thing will have to be rebuilt but I just need a temporary fix to get me by until tax return comes so I can do a complete rebuild on this trans.
That being said, could debris have been moved around and is now causing this problem? Would it help at all to flush the trans and replace the filter again after the flush and possibly add some sort of additive?
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Disconnect the 8 pin connector on the drivers side of the trans. This will disable ALL automatic functions on your trans.
Take the truck for a drive, you will have to shift manually. Get the trans nice and warm, and see if you get all the gears. (you won't get overdrive though.) If it shifts when you tell it to, even once it is warmed up, then the pressure sensor/solenoid are not doing their job. Yes, I know they are 'new', but, it wouldn't be the first time someone got bad parts right out of the box.
Take the truck for a drive, you will have to shift manually. Get the trans nice and warm, and see if you get all the gears. (you won't get overdrive though.) If it shifts when you tell it to, even once it is warmed up, then the pressure sensor/solenoid are not doing their job. Yes, I know they are 'new', but, it wouldn't be the first time someone got bad parts right out of the box.
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Disconnect the 8 pin connector on the drivers side of the trans. This will disable ALL automatic functions on your trans.
Take the truck for a drive, you will have to shift manually. Get the trans nice and warm, and see if you get all the gears. (you won't get overdrive though.) If it shifts when you tell it to, even once it is warmed up, then the pressure sensor/solenoid are not doing their job. Yes, I know they are 'new', but, it wouldn't be the first time someone got bad parts right out of the box.
Take the truck for a drive, you will have to shift manually. Get the trans nice and warm, and see if you get all the gears. (you won't get overdrive though.) If it shifts when you tell it to, even once it is warmed up, then the pressure sensor/solenoid are not doing their job. Yes, I know they are 'new', but, it wouldn't be the first time someone got bad parts right out of the box.
Quick question though, will I be able to get third gear and/or fourth gear because the instrument cluster only shows 1-2-D... It doesn't have a spot to select just 3 or 4...
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Got the issue sorted out...
I took all the suggestions you guys gave me, plus more suggestions I found on google. I wrote them all down and tried to put them in an order that was easy/less time consuming to the more difficult/longer time consuming suggestions and attack the truck with all of them at the same time but, first things first, I had to start from square one to make sure I didn't over look anything...
So what would be the EASIEST and most basic to start with? Yup, trans fluid level...
So I drive the truck, get the fluid nice and hot, park the truck, set the parking brake, shift through all gears, and end up in neutral... Check the fluid level, it reads just slightly more than a hairline under the line that is supposed to be the "ok area"
I top off the trans to where the level is perfect so there is no questioning the fluid level ever again... Go for a test drive and VIOLA!!! Shifting through all gears like butter!
I let the car sit overnight, drive it when cold, still shifting through all gears good. Get it nice and hot, still shifting through all gears like a champ!!!
It's been 2 days and all is still well. I didn't realize how picky these trans were with their fluid level. I would have thought the trans would slip while shifting if the fluid was low, never thought it would just not shift at all. It's not like I had to add a ton of fluid, I was low maybe a tad more than half a quart.
Oh well, you live and learn
I took all the suggestions you guys gave me, plus more suggestions I found on google. I wrote them all down and tried to put them in an order that was easy/less time consuming to the more difficult/longer time consuming suggestions and attack the truck with all of them at the same time but, first things first, I had to start from square one to make sure I didn't over look anything...
So what would be the EASIEST and most basic to start with? Yup, trans fluid level...
So I drive the truck, get the fluid nice and hot, park the truck, set the parking brake, shift through all gears, and end up in neutral... Check the fluid level, it reads just slightly more than a hairline under the line that is supposed to be the "ok area"
I top off the trans to where the level is perfect so there is no questioning the fluid level ever again... Go for a test drive and VIOLA!!! Shifting through all gears like butter!
I let the car sit overnight, drive it when cold, still shifting through all gears good. Get it nice and hot, still shifting through all gears like a champ!!!
It's been 2 days and all is still well. I didn't realize how picky these trans were with their fluid level. I would have thought the trans would slip while shifting if the fluid was low, never thought it would just not shift at all. It's not like I had to add a ton of fluid, I was low maybe a tad more than half a quart.
Oh well, you live and learn
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Last edited by MBTech; 10-12-2013 at 07:48 PM.