About a year ago I researched engine mods for my 1997 5.9l gas, one company H--ges, when I was getting specs, it would tell me right away that a "tune would be required" I didn't want to get into all of that, so I went with Cl egg who after several conversations, where I made it very clear that I wanted to keep the HP to the level where I didn't need to mess with the factory tune, I was told , it would be fine and that " if at a later date you decided to squeeze more HP out of you then could get a tune" well months later when I went to pick up my completed truck with new engine 408 stroker, it wouldn't run even close to the performance of the old engine that was removed.
So after a thousand plus dollars and several tunes after the fact that the instal shop tried to break in the engine with factory tune, I sit here almost a year later with $4000 worth of bills to rebuild my just rebuilt engine! Never trust a salesman!

 

Erm..... going that radical on the engine, and not telling you it would need a tune, was flat out negligence on the part of the sales staff. Think I would have a chat with a lawyer.

 

$4000 and not even a running motor!? Very sorry for your trouble Thanks for the warning. Hope you can get the motor rebuilt. What do you plan on doing?

 

Buyer beware. Do your research.

 

Yeah you're adding over 10% volume to your displacement, and if you changed cam/head flow/intake/exhaust and changed the VE at all, you're definitely going to be running lean which will nuke stuff pretty quick.

Who/what is CL egg?

 

Neglect on their part! Money hungry for sure that's why they told you that. All ways wise to post your questions here before you decide on something like that.
Not a bad idea!

 

You really thought you could run all that on a stock tune?

Seriously?

 

i think he means this site...

http://www.cleggengine.com/

 

I am Not defending anyone here, but I think there is more to it than you are saying.. Ok so you went ahead and got a 408 stroker engine installed, and you expected it to run on a STOCK tune? That will never happen, here is a couple of questions for you, did you go with a new LARGER throttle body? intake? headers? Did you go with bigger injectors for the increase of CUBIC INCH DISPLACEMENT? have you even considered a larger exhaust system?


Now considering all of this, and I had just installed my own built motor 30 over, with a various amount of improved parts, and my truck will bark the 305's at 40 mph.. So I am thinking you might just be a little bitter wanting caviar but could afford cat fish.. 4 grand is a lot of money for a rebuild, but just the rotating stroker assembly from H--hes is 3 grand or better. that don't leave a lot for extra important parts. Stock exhaust will choke that motor, A stock intake will not perform as good as a after market intake, stock throttle body doesn't have enough volume, stock injectors not enough fuel being delivered, the computer is doing all that it can but you are asking it to perform a miracle..


Sorry if I had hurt your pride, but you didn't give enough info as to what you have installed.. if you have everything and just need a tune buy a programmer,, be glad you can get one for your truck.. As for mine it is a 1995 NO COMPANY makes a programmer for mine..


Just complaining about what a sales man told you and not doing your homework and understanding what is involved. Then you should have gone with a stock crate motor and saved 2 grand

 

I have a larger exhaust , Air gap intake EQ heads, big gulp throttle body, headers, K&N CAI, Bullet racing custom grind cam, and the OEM Injectors on a ram with the hi rail pressure are more then adequate. My issue was and I will state it again, I specifically asked several times, that I didn't want to have to mess with my stock tune, and that whatever parts or performance level was required to maintain this was what I wanted. I was told that my stock ECM with stock tune would be fine and that if at a later date I wanted to "Squeeze more HP I then could get a tuner" I did my research and knew the issues with tuning especially in the region where I live, which is no one can. If the shop that spec'd my engine would have told me from the start,and they were well aware of all the current performance parts I had and what my setup was, had just told me that I would require a tune, I would have built a 500-600 hp engine, the only reason why it's now just only above 400 was only due to supposed stock tuning limits.
And for your info I did buy a tuner as soon as I learned that I needed one, I have a innovate OT-2 and LC-2 plus an SCT Tuner. Unfortunately the instal shop tried to break the engine in with the stock tune and then told me your truck is ready, when I picked it up and drove it for the first time is when I learned that this engine was never going to run without aftermarket tuning. And the $4000 is Canadian which included re & re of engine, total rebuild, new Pistons , new valve guides, rings bearings etc. The builder blames the tuner or lack of it, the Tuner blames the builder for incorrect piston to wall clearances.
The new engine has no piston slap noise at cold temp, the last engine sounded like a diesel when cold, I was told that was normal...... So what am I not hearing now, is that normal too... The tune logs all show AFR's well within the correct parameters ......
My comment was to give any other person a possible heads up when it comes to dodges, tuning and what to believe from certain industry " professionals " and what to not.