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On the engine discussion, stroking will require a machine shop to open the jugs, 0.030 over its generally the standard. With the cost of the rotating assembly and the machine work, you can make similar power much easier another way.
Just another option but TorqStorm has supercharger systems for less than 3500. They bought the old Powerdyne company and redesigned the blowers to be a modern internal gear drive instead of the old internal belt that always broke. Make pretty good power and to improve the system more you just need a couple more items: 2bar map sensor (stock srt4 is a common one used), larger fuel injectors, larger fuel pump, wideband and a tune. Fuel pump and injectors are pretty plug and play. Wideband just needs a bung and to be wired in. Then the map sensor just gets wired in line it was stock.
Just an easier method to have a nice fun setup without having to completely tear it apart and machine and rebuild it. And down the road you could always combine the 2 if you want even more power
Just another option but TorqStorm has supercharger systems for less than 3500. They bought the old Powerdyne company and redesigned the blowers to be a modern internal gear drive instead of the old internal belt that always broke. Make pretty good power and to improve the system more you just need a couple more items: 2bar map sensor (stock srt4 is a common one used), larger fuel injectors, larger fuel pump, wideband and a tune. Fuel pump and injectors are pretty plug and play. Wideband just needs a bung and to be wired in. Then the map sensor just gets wired in line it was stock.
Just an easier method to have a nice fun setup without having to completely tear it apart and machine and rebuild it. And down the road you could always combine the 2 if you want even more power
I myself was going to run my blower on a factory bottom end. Picked up a spare block from a buddy that i knew was good. Planned on all new bearings and rings but saw that cyl 5 had eaten a plug electrode or something at one time. Could've smoothed it with a flap wheel but decided to go mostly forged since i was torn down already... and had gotten better heads than i planned too. That and seeing the pistons are 0.051" in the hole i want to shave the block to get a good quench height
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Not really. Guys boost the factory bottom ends all the time and they respond great to it. They have a great ring gap for it and with the right tune they're pretty damn reliable with 10-12psi from a blower. Turbos are harder on parts but mostly the same rules apply. Intercooling makes them more so.
I myself was going to run my blower on a factory bottom end. Picked up a spare block from a buddy that i knew was good. Planned on all new bearings and rings but saw that cyl 5 had eaten a plug electrode or something at one time. Could've smoothed it with a flap wheel but decided to go mostly forged since i was torn down already... and had gotten better heads than i planned too. That and seeing the pistons are 0.051" in the hole i want to shave the block to get a good quench height
I myself was going to run my blower on a factory bottom end. Picked up a spare block from a buddy that i knew was good. Planned on all new bearings and rings but saw that cyl 5 had eaten a plug electrode or something at one time. Could've smoothed it with a flap wheel but decided to go mostly forged since i was torn down already... and had gotten better heads than i planned too. That and seeing the pistons are 0.051" in the hole i want to shave the block to get a good quench height
LOL by who? Some "real experienced racer whos been building cars for 40 years"? That's not at all true. I can name 1 truck in particular, regular cab short bed 318, that has 250k on the factory LONG block. Not even just the bottom end, heads too. Runs low 12s on 13psi if i remember correctly.
i misspoke, 265k. Although more recently he's posted 270 as he drives it pretty regularly. Also i was wrong on his boost level, it's 11psi. The 13psi was when they were tuning and dialed it back. Official 1/4 time is 12.76, i was off there as well.
but you get the idea
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LOL by who? Some "real experienced racer whos been building cars for 40 years"? That's not at all true. I can name 1 truck in particular, regular cab short bed 318, that has 250k on the factory LONG block. Not even just the bottom end, heads too. Runs low 12s on 13psi if i remember correctly.
The procharger is the only one that came with any sort of tuning and it's pretty much a superchips canned tune, similar anyways, and not worth much at all. The rest ran boost referenced inline fuel boost pumps to increase fuel pressure to increase how much fuel was actually delivered. That's ok for lower levels but it very quickly becomes dangerous, particularly because it doesn't account for timing.
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The blower systems that have been or are available for these are: TorqStorm (available), Vortech (not available), Paxton (not available), ProCharger (available) and KenneBell (not available).
The procharger is the only one that came with any sort of tuning and it's pretty much a superchips canned tune, similar anyways, and not worth much at all. The rest ran boost referenced inline fuel boost pumps to increase fuel pressure to increase how much fuel was actually delivered. That's ok for lower levels but it very quickly becomes dangerous, particularly because it doesn't account for timing.
The procharger is the only one that came with any sort of tuning and it's pretty much a superchips canned tune, similar anyways, and not worth much at all. The rest ran boost referenced inline fuel boost pumps to increase fuel pressure to increase how much fuel was actually delivered. That's ok for lower levels but it very quickly becomes dangerous, particularly because it doesn't account for timing.
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Nothing wakes up a motor like forced induction. The beauty of it is, its 'tuneable'. You can run as little, or as much boost as your engine can take. On a stock motor, stay under about 7 pounds of boost, you will pick up some serious power, and it will still be quite reliable.
The beauty of it is, its 'tuneable'. You can run as little, or as much boost as your engine can take. On a stock motor, stay under about 7 pounds of boost, you will pick up some serious power, and it will still be quite reliable.
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Well didn't get much done to the Dodge. Did get the brakes done on the Avalanche and decided to check the ujoints on it and ended up replaceing them. Started on the Ram and my impact froze up. Got to aggravated to continue so went in to watch the Dawgs play Auburn instead. I learned a while back to just walk away and not damage anything when I'm in that mood. So now I have to wait a couple of weeks. Going to go ahead and order the steering box though, while Blue top still has it in stock. Anyone have a suggestion on a pump. Mine is still good. Thinking of just cleaning it up and rebuilding it.