2nd Gen Ram Tech 1994-2001 Rams: This section is for TECHNICAL discussions only, that involve the 1994 through 2001 Rams. For any non-tech discussions, please direct your attention to the "General discussion/NON-tech" sub sections.

No crank & 2 Possible Missing relays

Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:59 AM
  #1  
Sinexay's Avatar
Sinexay
Thread Starter
|
Amateur
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Default No crank & 2 Possible Missing relays

98 1500 5.9 auto

truck previously slid off iced road found 2 relays on the ground don’t know where they go.

Symptoms: truck won’t crank
Slight damage on driver side;bumper/headlight&corner light/ (have parts)
front driver and rear driver tires blown.(fixed)
knocked shift rod out of adjustment (fixed)
Scanned obd port for codes and it showed only P1899 and I’ve replaced the park/neutral safety switch(fixed)
Abs and brake light showing on dash; brake pedal stiff

 

Last edited by Sinexay; Jan 15, 2022 at 04:04 AM.
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 05:17 AM
  #2  
Dodgetech1990's Avatar
Dodgetech1990
Registered User
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 3
Likes: 0
Default

Battery fully charged?
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 09:39 AM
  #3  
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou
Administrator
Veteran: Air Force
Community Favorite
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 87,556
Likes: 4,230
From: Clayton MI
Default

Look in the PDC, see which relays are missing.....
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:10 PM
  #4  
Sinexay's Avatar
Sinexay
Thread Starter
|
Amateur
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeyYou
Look in the PDC, see which relays are missing.....

 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:11 PM
  #5  
Sinexay's Avatar
Sinexay
Thread Starter
|
Amateur
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeyYou
Look in the PDC, see which relays are missing.....
Are there any relays under the car near bumper or fender that would keep car from starting?
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:30 PM
  #6  
HeyYou's Avatar
HeyYou
Administrator
Veteran: Air Force
Community Favorite
15 Year Member
Community Builder
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 87,556
Likes: 4,230
From: Clayton MI
Default

Originally Posted by Sinexay
Are there any relays under the car near bumper or fender that would keep car from starting?
Nope.

Starting circuit is pretty simple. Ignition switch passes current to the relay in the PDC, from there, it goes thru the neutral safety switch, to ground. So, turning the key really only engages the relay. The relay gets power on pin 30, when the relay is activated, it closes the circuit between pin 30, and pin 87. Pin 87 is the wire that actually runs down to the starter solenoid. If the starter relay isn't there, the truck won't start. If the Neutral safety switch is bad, the truck won't start. If the trans isn't in park, or neutral, the truck won't start.

There should be a diagram on the cover of the PDC, which tells you which fuses/relays do what. Make sure it isn't the starter relay that fell out.
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:41 PM
  #7  
AtomicDog's Avatar
AtomicDog
Champion
10 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 4,873
Likes: 435
From: Central VA
Lightbulb

Given that you had to adjust the shifter rod on that truck due to the accident, might want to try starting the truck in neutral to see if that does it. Try jiggling the shifter slightly before neutral and slightly after neutral while holding the key to 'start' to see if it will allow the starter to turn due to the neutral safety switch being engaged properly.
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:48 PM
  #8  
Sinexay's Avatar
Sinexay
Thread Starter
|
Amateur
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by HeyYou
Nope.

Starting circuit is pretty simple. Ignition switch passes current to the relay in the PDC, from there, it goes thru the neutral safety switch, to ground. So, turning the key really only engages the relay. The relay gets power on pin 30, when the relay is activated, it closes the circuit between pin 30, and pin 87. Pin 87 is the wire that actually runs down to the starter solenoid. If the starter relay isn't there, the truck won't start. If the Neutral safety switch is bad, the truck won't start. If the trans isn't in park, or neutral, the truck won't start.

There should be a diagram on the cover of the PDC, which tells you which fuses/relays do what. Make sure it isn't the starter relay that fell out.
Got it started! Thanks for the hint. It was missing the starter relay. It starts then it started making a loud air/hissing noise and started acting kinda of rough.
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:51 PM
  #9  
Sinexay's Avatar
Sinexay
Thread Starter
|
Amateur
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Default Hose



what does this hose go to? It’s coming out of the driver side firewall dangling unhooked by the driver side fender
 
Reply
Old Jan 15, 2022 | 03:56 PM
  #10  
Sinexay's Avatar
Sinexay
Thread Starter
|
Amateur
Joined: Jan 2022
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Default

Originally Posted by AtomicDog
Given that you had to adjust the shifter rod on that truck due to the accident, might want to try starting the truck in neutral to see if that does it. Try jiggling the shifter slightly before neutral and slightly after neutral while holding the key to 'start' to see if it will allow the starter to turn due to the neutral safety switch being engaged properly.
got it started! Somehow the starter relay was missing. I’m not sure if it was one of the 2 relays that was found on the ground though.. would seem weird for it to pop out the top of the socket like that but hey it’s possible..
 
Reply

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:26 PM.