2500/3500 Hemi
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2500/3500 Hemi
I have seen quite a few posts lately basically saying that the Hemi motor is a little underpowered for a 3/4 ton or 1 ton pickup, and quite honestly I really don't understand why. I suppose it may be for a mega cab I guess due to the much added size and weight, but I cant comment about that as I have never been in one (let alone driven one).
My truck seems to zip around with plenty enough power for my likings. While I agree that my mileage may suffer a little in comparison to you half ton guys due to the added weight of the bigger truck, the motor still has plenty of power to propel this truck around... even while towing.
When I compare my previous truck (2nd gen, half ton, regular cab, short box, 4x4 with a 360) to my new truck there is no comparison in power... the Hemi will smoke the 2nd gen, even with the extreme difference in overall truck size/weight.
Hell, out of curiosity, is there hardly even a difference in overall weight of a 3/4 ton quad cab vs the half ton quad cab? 400, 500, 600... 1000 pounds? Anyone know for sure?
Anyway, I just thought I would throw my first hand, super dooper professional opinion out there about the Hemi 2500/3500's. For those wanting a 3/4 ton truck yet not being able to justify the $10,000 option for the Cummins, do not shy away from the Hemi... especially if you are not always towing.
I love my pickup. One thing I don't like though... don't expect much over 12 MPG, and if it is a Hemi mega cab it will be even worse.
My truck seems to zip around with plenty enough power for my likings. While I agree that my mileage may suffer a little in comparison to you half ton guys due to the added weight of the bigger truck, the motor still has plenty of power to propel this truck around... even while towing.
When I compare my previous truck (2nd gen, half ton, regular cab, short box, 4x4 with a 360) to my new truck there is no comparison in power... the Hemi will smoke the 2nd gen, even with the extreme difference in overall truck size/weight.
Hell, out of curiosity, is there hardly even a difference in overall weight of a 3/4 ton quad cab vs the half ton quad cab? 400, 500, 600... 1000 pounds? Anyone know for sure?
Anyway, I just thought I would throw my first hand, super dooper professional opinion out there about the Hemi 2500/3500's. For those wanting a 3/4 ton truck yet not being able to justify the $10,000 option for the Cummins, do not shy away from the Hemi... especially if you are not always towing.
I love my pickup. One thing I don't like though... don't expect much over 12 MPG, and if it is a Hemi mega cab it will be even worse.
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I looked at a 3/4 ton when I bought, actually both a CTD and a Hemi. I couldn't justify the CTD because the heaviest thing I pulled at the time was a 2500# bass boat/motor/trailer and I only put about 8k miles a year on my truck. The biggest factor was they wouldn't discount the CTD a penny (as a matter of fact all three dealers I went to had ADDED $2500 to the sticker for some stupid "adjusted market value" rip-off!)
The 2500 I looked at was about the same price (on the sticker) as the 1500 I ended up buying. The 2500 was an SLT and the 1500 was a Laramie. Dealer was willing to knock about $3000 off either on his end. The difference was that 1500 series trucks had another $3000 in rebates AND another $1500 in rebate IF financed thru Chrysler. These additional $4500 in rebates WERE NOT available on the 2500. Combined with the much nicer interior in the Laramie package, I opted for the 1500.
In hind-site, I wish I would have bought the 2500 Hemi. My 2nd Gen Ram 1500 had a SFA and was plenty of truck for me. The 3rd Gen went to IFS and I've been hampered by the IFS in just about everything I've wanted to do to this truck since day one.
As far as power goes, the Hemi has PLENTY of HP for a 3/4 ton pickup. The problem is not HP, but rather Torque. Not that the engine doesn't have enough, but like the HP it kicks in rather high in the RPM band for a full size truck. So the perception is that the truck is underpowered.
I've said it in many posts before. The Hemi is not a real efficient truck engine in it's stock form. To make that engine work across such a wide platform (trucks, touring cars, sports cars, SUVs) many concessions were made. It's actually much better suited for a sports car than a truck.
The engine has plenty of displacement and can be made into a much better truck engine. Gears are a great "band aid" for this and better low end cam is a really good fix.
In stock form, it's ok for a 2500, if you don't tow or haul heavy or often. In a Mega-Cab, I think it's really hampered unless you modify it quite a bit. I think anyone looking into a Mega just needs to look at a CTD...
The 2500 I looked at was about the same price (on the sticker) as the 1500 I ended up buying. The 2500 was an SLT and the 1500 was a Laramie. Dealer was willing to knock about $3000 off either on his end. The difference was that 1500 series trucks had another $3000 in rebates AND another $1500 in rebate IF financed thru Chrysler. These additional $4500 in rebates WERE NOT available on the 2500. Combined with the much nicer interior in the Laramie package, I opted for the 1500.
In hind-site, I wish I would have bought the 2500 Hemi. My 2nd Gen Ram 1500 had a SFA and was plenty of truck for me. The 3rd Gen went to IFS and I've been hampered by the IFS in just about everything I've wanted to do to this truck since day one.
As far as power goes, the Hemi has PLENTY of HP for a 3/4 ton pickup. The problem is not HP, but rather Torque. Not that the engine doesn't have enough, but like the HP it kicks in rather high in the RPM band for a full size truck. So the perception is that the truck is underpowered.
I've said it in many posts before. The Hemi is not a real efficient truck engine in it's stock form. To make that engine work across such a wide platform (trucks, touring cars, sports cars, SUVs) many concessions were made. It's actually much better suited for a sports car than a truck.
The engine has plenty of displacement and can be made into a much better truck engine. Gears are a great "band aid" for this and better low end cam is a really good fix.
In stock form, it's ok for a 2500, if you don't tow or haul heavy or often. In a Mega-Cab, I think it's really hampered unless you modify it quite a bit. I think anyone looking into a Mega just needs to look at a CTD...
Last edited by HammerZ71; 03-11-2011 at 08:15 AM.
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That was my though exactly... moreso than the slight weight difference, I think the MPG decrease (from a 1500 to a 2500) is due to the added wind resistance from the taller stance and front axle hanging down.
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As far as power goes, the Hemi has PLENTY of HP for a 3/4 ton pickup. The problem is not HP, but rather Torque. Not that the engine doesn't have enough, but like the HP it kicks in rather high in the RPM band for a full size truck. So the perception is that the truck is underpowered.
I've said it in many posts before. The Hemi is not a real efficient truck engine in it's stock form. To make that engine work across such a wide platform (trucks, touring cars, sports cars, SUVs) many concessions were made. It's actually much better suited for a sports car than a truck.
The engine has plenty of displacement and can be made into a much better truck engine. Gears are a great "band aid" for this and better low end cam is a really good fix.
Yeah, I have noticed that if you want the motor to "really talk" you have to get into the RPM's quite a bit. Personally, I like my usable power in the low RPM's... but at least there is some power somewhere.
My previous 5.9 seamed to have better low end power, but was nowhere near the upper end power of the Hemi. That being said, the Hemi pushes this large 2500 quad cab around WAY better than the old 360 did with my small half ton... almost seams effortless.
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That was my though exactly... moreso than the slight weight difference, I think the MPG decrease (from a 1500 to a 2500) is due to the added wind resistance from the taller stance and front axle hanging down.
I agree that must be the biggest reason for the differance in mileage. Because I don't think that a 450 approx. pound differance is all that much.
I agree that must be the biggest reason for the differance in mileage. Because I don't think that a 450 approx. pound differance is all that much.