We use Mobile1 additives in some of the oils we blend and package...however, most are blended with SOPUS (Shell/Pennzoil) additives...all of the oil we blend and package for Advance is blended with SOPUS additives...the ATF+4 we package for them is actually blended by Ashland (Valvoline), brought to our oil plant by rail car and packaged into bottles and the Advance label is slapped onto it...

 

OR...A Mobile1 exec meets with a Chrysler, GM or Ford exec and says hey..."we will supply you with the oil for factory fills, if you put this badge on the valve cover stating that only Mobile1 oil is to be used in this engine"...GM, Ford or Chrysler rep says "sure"...it's guarateed business for Mobile1....since it increases demand for their oils...

 

So by that logic Goodyear tires which are the most popular OE issue tires are the best because they come factory on so many vehicles. Just curious, have you ever driven/owned a Dodge Ram with the OE 20" Goodyear Wrangler HP tires?

Mobil 1 is not the best oil available for all applications across the board. Not even close. It is very good oil but to calll it the best is just laughable. The fact it is FF means NOTHING as far as it's quality goes. There is a marketing aspect involved in all of this as well as a bid to provide the oil at the best price. If Pennzoil/QuakerState( SOPUS ), or Valvoline(( Ashland ), or Kendall( ConocoPhillips ) were to make a better marketing offer and lower bid to provide an oil that meets the mfg's minimum requirements Mobil would be gone. Actually, lots of car mfg's are swapping their FF away from Mobil recently.

No offense but just because M1 is FF in some vehicles does not make it the best oil. It was just the best business deal for the car mfg.

 

No, I have not driven a Dodge Ram with the OE 20" Goodyear Wrangler HP tires.

I have driven though; a Jeep Wrangler with O.E. 15" Goodyear Wrangler tires, a Jeep Wrangler with O.E. 16" Goodyear Wrangler MT/R tires, and a Jeep Grand Cherokee with Goodyear Wrangler ST tires. All have been good tires. As long as Goodyear continues to be an American company, making the tires in the U.S.A., I will continue to buy Goodyear tires.

 

So quality of a product really is not your 1st priority. Rather where it is made and marketing is what sways you. That is fine I guess if it works for you.

I know this is supposed to be an "oil" thread but seeing as you brought up all those great GY's you have had, FWIW...

1994 Ram 1500 w/ OE GY's( Wrangler AT or APT of some type - can't recall exact model - AT/S or RT/S I believe ) ) = lasted 25K before the set was failed up = 2 bald and 2 had failed belts that were replaced and almost bald I finally replaced them when one of those 2 that was replaced suddenly blew out on me while driving( sidewall failure )
1997 Ram 1500 w/ OE GY's( Wrangler AT or APT of some type - can't recall exact model - AT/S or RT/S I believe ) = lasted 24K before failing to meet legal minimun tread depth requirements
2001 Ram 1500 w/ OE GY's( Wrangler AT/S for sure ) = lasted 19K before before failing to meet legal minimun tread depth requirements.
2005 Silverado 1500 w/ OE GY's( Wrangler ST's ) = approx 10K when replaced and well over 1/2 worn. A weak/poor tread pattern but probably one of the better GY's I have had overall even though like all the others they wore out in a half a heart beat.
2007 Silverado 1500 w/ OE GY's( Wrangler AT/S again ) = replaced at approx 5K with better tires. Showed some real wear in just 5K.
2008 Dodge Ram 1500( my current truck ) w/ OE GY's( Wrangler HP's ) = Replaced at 3K due to a long history of poor tire life w/ every GY tire I have ever had and also these tires were awful in any kind of bad weather( known issue ).

All my vehicles get the tires rotated at 5K when I change the oil and I maintain proper PSI. Alignment is checked once a year. I do not off road, burn out all the time, tow/haul extremely heavy loads, or anything either to beat on the tires. Premature wear not due to neglect or abuse. The premature wear and belt/blow out issues are due to the poor quality of the tires themselves.

GY tires in general but specifically their OE ones are awful. They have 1 or 2 decent aftermarket type tires you can buy( but way too $$$ comapred to the competition )but I have never seen a good OE tire. One person here and there who has luck with a set but overall GY tires are pretty much trashed by the people who wind up with them. The OE truck tires are also HORRID in bad weather. I have never had an AT, APT, or AS truck tire from GY and had it perform even half way decent in the snow. Maybe they did "ok" right at 1st but once any treadwear sttarted they turned into greased skis in bad weather.

BTW, to verify it was the tires and not me in reference the above. I had a 2003 Ram 1500 and a 2004 Ram 1500 that both came with Michelins LTX M+S tires that went approx 20K on each vehicle before I sold the trucks and the tires had little if any wear. No failures and good bad weather performance. All the trucks above had no tire related failures or problems, and the tread wear increased to acceptable to amazing levels, once I swapped out the OE GY's for some decent tires. Various models from Bridgestone, Firestone, and Kelly.

If GY is your favorite brand all the more power to you. Same goes for Mobil 1. For me they are not even close to the ebst or even on the option list.

 

NHEMI,

Helping the American economy is MY 1st priority. Of the limited choices of American companies, still manufacturing in America (list getting smaller each year), I will choose the best product for my needs from these companies. If it means that I am getting an inferior product, which is opinion and subjective in many cases, so be it. My kids, and grand kids further down the line, will have to grow up and "find" jobs here in America some day. I am doing my part to try and ensure that there might still be jobs here in America in the future; for my kids, my friends and relatives kids, and even strangers such as yourself.

The U.S. economy is in a world of hurt right now. I will do my part to keep my U.S. dollars here in America, to strengthen our economy, versus buying products from foreign companies and helping another country's economy.

 

I wish the U.S. mfg's would just wake up, smell the coffee and start making better products period instead of taking the 'just make it good enough, they'll buy it' attitude. heck, just bought a ford compact for my wife saturday thinkin i know they got the wakeup call and did it better...then joined the car forum for it and realized this chit is crappin tranny's out of cars barely a month or 2 old..i just hope I don't fall into that same category... i guess I'm glad I bought (shouldn't have to) the 100k warranty..

 

I actually agree with buying American when possible. I don't disagree with the economy comments either. I don't know what US economy those on Wall Street and TV are talking about but the one I see is still in the crapper.

However, even with that said, for me it has to be a quality product if I am spending my money on it. I buy Royal Purple fluids as they are excellent products 1st. An added bonus is they are a small American company. I will always support our countries businesses 1st when it makes sense to do so.

I frankly could care less where GY is made however. They are HORRIBLE tires in my experience. Not only have the ones I have had not lasted but they are horrible in the bad weather. I want a tire that lasts and that is safe here in our NH winters. If that tire has to come from Canada, or China, or Mexico or wherever so be it. I at least support a local store when I buy them and have them installed.

The funny thing is( actually sad describes it better )I can get a better quality tire than a GY for a fraction of the cost. All of that marketing and sponsorship is past on to us and it jacks up the price of medicore tires to premium tire levels or even beyond. They just are not worth a fraction of what they cost and they are a poor product.

If they work for you then bye all means keep using them. For me, like with M1, there are better options. Have a great day!