Nice job on the pic Pappy, although it appears somebody has WAY to much time on their hands...

 

Thanks Hammer.
I really like the movie 300 can ya tell?

Hey OldMoparMan how much you chargin for one (or two) of those Virgin Hookers?

 

Thanks for the advice.
I have been reading the other threads and will probably go with the CAI.
Thanks everyone.

 

You sound as though you know what you're talking about....but you don't. I'm not going to argue the point because I know from experience that what you've said above is NOT correct. A "snorkle" - that's funny. I'm sure it looks good on paper. In reality, the water only has to be as deep as the bumper for water to end up in the airbox. I've had it happen many times, so don't try to tell me it can't happen.The fact is an "oiled" K&N drop-in filter will pass water right through it. You are dillusional if you think otherwise. I know that for a fact. And for completeness sake, I have to tell you that the stock paper filter, although not 100% effective, will prevent a brief slug of water entering your airbox from passing through to the intake. I'll say it again, a K&N filter WILL NOT prevent even a brief slug of water from passing through into your cylinders.

Of course, I have actually driven my truck through water many times off-road with the stock filter in place, but only once with the K&N filter in place. I wonder, how many water crossings or puddles have youentered with that drop-in K&N filter in place? Until you have the experience to talk, don't criticize because you end up looking like an idiot.

 

You're wrong. Not that I necessarily care what happens to your motor, because you obviously know more than me. I'm just concerned that somebody might read this thread and actually believe what you've written. And by the way, what I've said is NOT a "theory". It will cost you a nice hydrolocked motor if you want to test my "theory", so go ahead, find a good puddle and get back to us.

I will say again, DO NOT use a K&N drop-in filter in your truck. If you go K&N then get the CAI to go with it so you avoid the stock intake from above the wheel well -AND get theFOAM oil filter overlay that is sold by K&N to avoid water intake.

Or listen to these guys above, because they obviously have more experience and knowledge than me.

 

Hey gooddoc,

In response to your statement "Until you have the experience to talk, don't criticize because you end up looking like an idiot."

Have you got anything positive to contribute? Instead of just jumpin on the ol K&N haters bandwagon, why didn't you just say something like “Oh I use XYZ filter system?“ But no, people like you have this desire to slam others for some bizarre reason.

Last time I checkedmy stock air box the snorkelis below the filter element and points towards the back of the headlight and it is in the engine bay not the wheel well and oil repels water. Soo hummm again.

You are a Wiseman and your wisdom vastly exceedsthat of us mere mortalsdown here in the real world.

Sounds like you needa submarine more than a truck.

So why don’t you take your K&N hatin self and....

 

Market value. However, if you buy 3, you get a free K&N CAI.

 

Hey Pappy,

I originally wrote to warn people with drop-in filters that they're motor is at risk passing through a level of water that, if thestock filter was installed, would not be a risk. I was then ridiculed for my comments. I am not a K&N filter hater. The problem actually resides in the design of the Dodge Ram intake, not the filter per se. You are correct, the air intake is not in the wheel well, I meant to say it was above the wheel well. It is however, positioned in a way that water isforced up along the wheel well cowl and into the airbox if the water level is at the bumper level or higher. You keep referring to the intake "snorkel", as if this is some great design. It points DOWN, not up. The air is taken from the level of the bumper and wherever else it can suck air in, ie. around headlights. It is not in the engine bay,and the design acts as a water ram right into the airbox under the proper circumstances.

I hydrolocked my motor after I placed a K&N drop-in filter into my Power Wagon. It happened going through a puddle I had passed through dozens of times with the stock filter in place. I took that K&N filter out of the airbox on the trail and was able to look right through it at the sun. The oil on the K&N filter is NOT effective at preventing water from passing through, and is not the reason it is applied to the filter. I know for a fact I would not have hydrolocked with the stock filter in place. I've been through much deeper water with the stock filter in place.

I'm actually looking to put a K&N CAI into my new Power Wagon because the air intake design of the Ram is not good for off-road use. And no I don't need a submarine, I just need an air intake that is not the weakest link when passing through water.

My positive contribution is to make sure someone else is not sitting deep in the woods with a hydrolocked motor because they puta K&N drop-in filter in their airbox. It's unlikely to be a problem for those that drive only on the road, but not impossible.

You said, "people like you have this desire to slam others for some bizarre reason"....re-read the thread and tell me who was attacked - it was me. I attacked no one in my initial reply and was just trying to warn others of the risks.

 

Hurry up....buy 3 virgins, and get that CAI for free...........

FWIW: You would have drowned that motor that day, K&N filter or stock filter.If you hit a "puddle" with a stock air intake system and if forced that much water into the airbox to fill the box, go up the intake tube, fill the muffler box and into the engine, then it wasn't a "Puddle" as you put it and you weren't just tooling along.

Adding a CAI will cause just as much of an issue in deep water, as it's an open element, with a straight shot tube to the throttlebody. It's open in the engine compartment and has less shielding then the stock system. It's only benefit is it's not subjected to forced water from the front, like the stock system is.

If you off-road in conditions where the water is that deep or frequent, then I suggest you invest in an elevated air intake system, for off-road use in water conditions, and not repeat the same venture.

YOU ARE CORRECT in that a K&N flows more ANYTHING through it, but if you've off-roaded enough, you'll see a stock filter get pushed out of it's original position in the airbox,when enough water gets forced in the airbox, and hydrolock an engine anyway.

Get an elevated air intake.

 

You have no idea, son. No idea...........Good luck.

OOh.....hear that? It's the "Tool Police" coming for you......Hide your wrenches!!!