ive seen some members talk adversely toward some brands of oil filters. i want to know first hand reasons why? i put a fram on the other day and then saw someone say they are junk. same with the wix. why? valid reasons only please. thanks.

 

micronic filtration

 

I have been running the FRAM HP-1 Race filter on my 2002 4.7L since the first 500miles.. with over 110,000 WIDE OPEN THROTTLE MILES I have not had a singe issue...

I Run the FRAM HP-1 with Mobil 1 FULL SYNTHETIC...

If you have time, stop by autozone and grab a HP-1 and place it next to the recommend stock size filter... You will understand why I run it once you see the two next to each other.

I pick up my Mobil1 at Wallmart in the 5qt jugs + 1 additional qt.

SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

 

i had a few fram filters on my last vehicle every single one of them had a bad o ring on it and would leak. swapped to mobil 1 and never had a problem since.

 

You cannot just buy a filter based on looks. Even if it appears to be larger because it's a taller case/filter doesn't mean it does a better job. Micronic filtration is the size of the particles that are allowed past the filter. The filter can be as big as a footbal field and can still let large particles through that can be bad for your engine. I'm not knockin the Fram HP-1 or anyhing, just stating the obvious. I never knew they sold oil in 5wts containers. I thought they were all 4qts! 1 gallon is 4qts.

Also, here is a link to all the filters and observances by one group. http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfi...ilfilters.html

With all of that, I use Mobil 1 Synthetic oil and usually use The royal blue Purolator PureOne filters. I will buy th Mobil 1 filters if the local parts store is having the Mobil 1 special for only $25 for a Mobil 1 filter and 5qts of synthetic, otherwise I'll buy th Purolator because I like the color.......lol j/k

 

thanks for the input. very helpful. now i know more than i did.

 

LOL...

Yeah that's how I did it... I just found the largest filter Auto-zone had and just tossed it on, I also purchase a gallon of blinker fluid while was there...And it works... blinker fluid made my lights brighter.... DE Di DEE LOL

YES. ====> WALMART + 5qt JUG of Mobil 1 = $22.00 and some change...

Im glad I was able to help.

FRAM PH8 on the left and FRAM HP-1 on the right... The PH8 would be similar to the standard 4.7L flow holes... Notice how much larger the HP-1 flow holes are then the PH8... This means better flow and less restrictions at Higher RPMs...




FYI I have been running the FRAM HP-1 on my 650HP Pontiac for over 9 years.... Never not one issue... and YES I have cut them apart.... and found.... NOTHING ALARMING!

One day when I was about to change the oil in my 4.7L I looked across the shop and picked up the HP-1 Race filter... It was a perfect match, put it on and have been running the FRAM HP-1 on my 4.7L ever since... again WELL OVER 110,000 WOT Miles... When is this destructive filter going to cause this certain damage thats is looming over my head? Speaking of "HEAD's" Had them off at 75,000 miles... The heads looked brand new, no oil stains... they looked as though they had a fresh coat of oil on them... The hone marks are still there clear as day... could still feel them with my finger nails... The cylinders where still circular... not worn, which means with just a light hone I could slap in new pistons and rings... No ridge line from the top ring...

Apparantly the FRAM HP-1 is doing a fairly good job at keeping crap out because there was absolutely ZERO measurable wear in that engine. So please stop preaching how bad my filter is for my engine...

One thing you need to take into consideration... when It comes to filters... SIZE DOES MATTER! You see, the larger the filter... the larger the filtering media... the GREATER the filtering surface which means the oil flows SLOWER through the filter at High RPMs... this actually increases the filters ability to filter at high RPM's and even better at low RPMs... Since the flow holes on the HP-1 are so freaking HUGE oil is able to flow through at greater amounts without restriction at HIGH RPM's. This actually frees up HP from the crank which turns the oil pump... Making more HP while increasing filtering... I cant see where that's a bad thing. Ohh yeah lets not forget the additional amount of oil we are able to add to the system... increasing oil life, cooling, and oil change intervals...

I love how passionate some people get over oil filters... It is comical....


SPEED SAFE, AIR RAM

 

Huh, I never knew they made a 5qt jug. Bout darn time they smartened up!..lol Now they are just 10years behind because most people need 6qts now...ahahahaha

Also, I don't ride the little bus so, no De di dee in this household.
You distinctly stated that by placing an oil filter side by side will alow people to see how much better it truly is. That's untrue. Just because it has bigger holes for the oil to flow through and is a little taller doesn't make it better. It's not any thicker as far as flitering material, it just has a little more surface area that will filter out no added particles. If the surface area is a mile long and can only trap a 40 micron size particle, that's all it can trap and would matter if it was 10times the length or size. It can't do any better no matter how much added filter mass you have! I would have to argue and say the only added perk of a bigger filter is the tiny bit of extra oil you get to add which is minor and the extended length of service intervals from when the filter will clog or compromise performane of the filter itself.
There's much more to an oil filter than having anaolgies about flow and filtration. There's a check valve inside them and that can cause issues especially at higher rpms if the product is inferior and uses cheap parts which Fram does. The filters are paper materials vs synthetic materials which cuts down flow. You can cut all the oil filters apart you like, if you don't have testing equiptment and specific knowledge of materials, you would have no idea just by looking at how bigger the holes are or how tall the oil filter is so you think your catching more particles. The bigger holes do allow more flow, however the thicker the oil, the larger an opening it needs to go through. Most race applications use 30w oil and need the biiger openings.

I have used fram before and continue to use on on my beater car because the Tough Guard has that grip area which makes it easy to get off. That's the only reason I purchase that filter. I could care less beyond that for my beater car. As for my nice vehicle, I go by specific testing done by labratories and car specialists.

Another thing, for the most part, using one oil filter from the next, most people will never even notice a thing after 100kmi. it's more of added security than anything. We're no racing our engine at 8krpms going around a track all day long so buying a Fram or buying a Mobil 1 filter will yield the same results for most of us. Again, it's just the piece of mind that I buy them.

There's no reason for hositlity. I just wanted to bring the attention for those who do read the book by the cover for educational purposes. You cannot do that on the oil filters.

 

Has anyone had any experience with or know anything about K&N Oil Filters? I am in Canada and this is about the only premium filter that is around. I am having the oil changed on Monday with Mobil One.
Thanks

 

I have a K&N on now. They are a premium filter with a premium price tag. 13-14$ US. I believe they can filter down to 10 microns. I will use a NAPA gold (made by WIX) for my next oil change.