First off, how can you have possibly modded that many cars in your driveway and know that they are 500+whp without any kind of custom tuning or Dyno readings??? Did you know that MOST factory tunes are HORRIBLE!!! Aftermarket tunes runs much more efficient. So to say that a Factory tune is better is a Fantasy. Factory tunes run Rich, restrict power and cause lots of build-up in lower flow areas like the EGR and IAC valve..etc... Aftermarket tunes blow stock out of the water.
Now, on the regurgitation part???.... Roots style is a factory style supercharger. They BLOW! The Eaton's are called Heatons for a reason. That's all they produce. They are very inneficient and would be the last thing that would ever go on my vehicle especially on a higher revving engine. A Twin Screw is 100x better than a roots anyday. Much more efficient and can produce 20-30% even more power in the same psi range and has a much wider power range. They have a very low starting powerband and are the new Era Roots.
Didn't the 4runners come stock with an available TRD supercharger?? That means you must have been running the stock tune at 6.5psi with only 195hp. Also, stock Vr-4's were only 296hp and 415ft'lbs. They had a descent amount of drivetrain looss because of the AWD feature as well as many were auto's. i think they were 18% loss with stick and like 22% w/auto thorugh the drivetrain.
And the Dimond stars.....well, they had a whole lotta problems factory with them. All they are good for is rebuilding the motor, replacing the super weak crappy trans and adding a turbo set-up with 30+psi to get enough power to overtake the v8's. I ran a 92 laser w/35psi and toasted it with my Cobra. The kid had 10k into the car and it wasn't even painted and had rust???wtf??
Just because you have owned turbo'd or S/C'ed vehicels doesn't mean you know exactly how they work or how they are installed or which components interchange with which sorta thing. They are Billions of car drivers and I bet half of them cannot even change their own tire yet they have been driving for Years! So, to say just because I owned a turbo car means I can pull everything apart and put it together bilnd folded and in my sleep. No. but close....lol I haven't had dirct contact with many Turbo set-ups, but have had a fair hand in installing Superchargers both Centrifugal and twin screw. The only time i have touched a Roots style is to remove it and throw it in the garbage.

 

rath of dirty, im glad I stayed out of this one.

 

Yep, sounds to me like the old 'dog had to sleep out in the old doghouse this weekend and has to get some frustration out...

 

^ tee hee hee

 

+1, must be because of the lousy weather!

 

Wow I think i burned my retinas just from reading that...

 

[QUOTE=rcroll3;1609888]try this setup

it will beat a CTD
Or this one

Sorry. Nope. CTDs are readily available with more horsepower and DOUBLE the torque of those trucks. They are pretty though.

 

There are some around here in the 11s and running well over 60psi of boost on fuel only! These are not race trucks either. As an example, my truck works everyday hauling hay/wood/sand whatever and also tows horse/equipment trailers and runs mid 12sec. 1/4 miles. did I mention getting 15-18mpg?

 

Most are done by weight and ET. The Supra (3600 lbs) trapped 122 mph at 18 psi on 93 octane. The person who bought it had it dynoed and it did 505whp in that tune. The fuel system and turbo were capable of 23-25 psi with more octane. The Stealth ran 12.5 @ 109 at 4050 lbs. The Subaru isn't finished yet but a 400whp estimate is on the low end based on the results of others.

You need better reading comprehension. I said: "Aftermarket programming methods just don't offer he same level of tuning control as an OEM setup."

See that? TUNING CONTROL. I never once said the factory tune was best. You're not going to get fine control by slapping on piggyback modules. That's especially true with Dodge's super-secret ECMs. You won't get OEM driveability with a turboed Ram unless you replace the computer with an aftermarket unit. You can get close but there will be gremlins. Meanwhile, turbo diesels are tunable because all that control is available in the factory ECM.

I never said I didn't tune. I moved from piggybacks on the DSMs to direct control of the factory ECU on my Subaru. I have access to every parameter and no longer have to trick the ECU into doing what I want. There are similar products for domestics like LSEdit and HP Tuners. The Stealth used the VPC and GCC products (no longer made) from HKS. It converted the car from mass air flow to MAP and allowed rpm-based fueling corrections.

I dispute none of that -- nor did I ever. I simply mean that it's going to take a positive displacement supercharger to make a Hemi feel like a diesel. Then you decided to "educate" me and we arrived here.

It wasn't available stock but was available through TRD. The 195hp rating was before the blower obviously. The kit was ok but had a tendency to run lean without additional fueling.

300hp / 315tq. Mine picked up 1.5 seconds in the 1/4 and 10 mph over stock, all with a little exhaust and fuel changes. Still had the stock cat-back, stock fuel pump, and zero weight reduction. Videos / timeslip here. Sure, it was "only" 100hp over stock but it didn't take much to get to that point.

Yep, those sorry trannies start falling apart when you make over double the stock horsepower. The engines can only do 400-450whp before they need upgrades yet they were 195chp stock. They're real POSes. You can make an AWD DSM run 11s for maybe $2-3k these days. I guess since you ran into an idiot with one we can assume you're the generic Cobra owner sporting a mullet running 13.90s? See - stereotypes don't work.

Eyeball dsmtimes.org and you'll see that the top 200 cars run 10s or quicker; there are 83 in the nines or faster. They're not the perfect car but they're no less capable than any other car. You can't use the usual recipe of "strip the car, big cubes, spray, slicks" to go fast but a fast daily driver is easy.

Except that all of my turbo cars have had their horsepower increased at least by 50%, several were more than double the stock power. I don't just buy and drive -- I wrench them myself.

Bah - he's an amateur. I've been e-arguing since ~ 1993, when all the major message board software was still in beta testing.

 

Sorry... That was just begging for this.