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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:40 AM
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Captain, Just five, I want just five..........cant do it, can you? I didnt think so.......stupid repuke
You asked for it. These mean something to me, of course you won't agree and counter every single one of them. I could come up with the same thing for Clinton as well.That's what makes it a democracy!! Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the man needs to be impeached, kicked out, etc. Lying? Scandals? Name a presidency that didn't have that! This one has nothing that can be proven, yet.(ok, I'll give you Carter, but he did nothing either pos or neg) Hell, even FDR had a mistress, very well known. Kennedy hid his illness from the country when it could have affected judgement calls. I voted for Bush because he was the lessor of two evils. I don't follow any party, I don't let others do my decision making. I think for myself and make the choice for the best person at the time andat the time he was the best choice for me.

And no, I don't think I know more then civilians just because I'm military. I didn't say join anything, I said go there and see for yourself. People will believe anything and everything the press reports. Make no mistake, media is driven by profits and you don't make a profit by coming on the air and saying"It's all good, see you tomorrow!"

Abortion & Traditional Values
1. Banned Partial Birth Abortion β€” by far the most significant roll-back of abortion on demand since Roe v. Wade. 2. Reversed Clinton's move to strike Reagan's anti-abortion Mexico Policy. 3. By Executive Order (EO), reversed Clinton's policy of not requiring parental consent for abortions under the Medical Privacy Act. 4. By EO, prohibited federal funds for international family planning groups that provide abortions and related services. 5. Upheld the ban on abortions at military hospitals. 6. Made $33 million available for abstinence education programs in 2004. 7. Supports the Defense of Marriage Act β€” and a Constitutional amendment saying marriage is between one man and one woman. 8. Requires states to conduct criminal background checks on prospective foster and adoptive parents. 9. Requires districts to let students transfer out of dangerous schools. 10. Requires schools to have a zero-tolerance policy for classroom disruption (reintroducing discipline into classrooms). 11. Signed the Teacher Protection Act, which protects teachers from lawsuits related to student discipline. 12. Expanded the role of faith-based and community organizations in after-school programs.

Budget, Taxes & Economy
1. Signed two income tax cuts, one of which was the largest dollar-value tax cut in world history. 2. Supports permanent elimination of the death tax. 3. Turned around an inherited economy that was in recession, and deeply shocked as a result of the 9/11 attacks. 4. Is seeking legislation to amend the Constitution to give the president line-item veto authority. 5. In process of permanently eliminating IRS marriage penalty. 6. Increased small business incentives to expand and to hire new people. 7. Initiated discussion on privatizing Social Security and individual investment accounts. 8. Killed Clinton's "ergonomic" rules that OSHA was about to implement; rules would have shut down every home business in America. 9. Passed tough new laws to hold corporate criminals to account as a result of corporate scandals. 10. Reduced taxes on dividends and capital gains. 11. Signed trade promotion authority. 12. Reduced and is working to ultimately eliminate the estate tax for family farms and ranches. 13. Fight Europe's ban on importing biotech crops from the United States. 14. Exempt food from unilateral trade sanctions and embargoes. 15. Provided $20 million to states to help people with disabilities work from home. 16. Created a fund to encourage technologies that help the disabled. 17. Increased the annual contribution limit on Education IRA's from $500 to $2,000 per child. 18. Make permanent the $5,000 adoption tax credit and provide $1 billion over five years to increase the credit to $10,000. 19. Grant a complete tax exemption for prepaid or college tuition savings plans. 20. Reduced H1B visas from a high of 195,000 per year to 66,000 per year.

Character & Conduct as President
1. Changed the tone in the White House, restoring HONOR and DIGNITY to the presidency. 2. Has reintroduced the mention of God and faith into public discourse. 3. Handled himself with enormous courage, dignity, grace, determination, and leadership in the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 hijackings and anthrax attacks. He almost single-handedly held this country together during those searing days:
Just three days after the attacks, in his address at the National Cathedral, the President reassured the nation when he said: "War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. This conflict was begun on the timing and terms of others. It will end in a way, and at an hour, of our choosing."
On Friday, September 14, 2001, President Bush visited Ground Zero. Standing on a crushed and burned fire engine atop the smoldering pile at Ground Zero, he put his arm around a retired firefighter who had volunteered to help, and began speaking to the crowd. Rescue workers shouted that they could not hear him. Someone handed him a small American flag and bullhorn. The President spontaneously shouted: "I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon." The crowd roared with cheers and chants of "USA! USA! USA!" Then he raised that American flag and rallied a nation.

Education & Employment Training
1. Signed the No Child Left Behind Act, delivering the most dramatic education reforms in a generation (challenging the soft bigotry of low expectations). The very liberal California Teachers union is currently running radio ads against the accountability provisions of this Act. 2. Announced "Jobs for the 21st Century," a comprehensive plan to better prepare workers for jobs in the new millennium by strengthening post-secondary education and job training, and by improving high school education. 3. Is working to provide vouchers to low-income students in persistently failing schools to help with costs of attending private schools. (Blocked in the Senate.) 4. Requires annual reading and math tests in grades three through eight. 5. Requires states to participate in the National Assessment of Education Progress, or an equivalent program, to establish a national benchmark for academic performance. 6. Requires school-by-school accountability report cards. 7. Established a $2.4 billion fund to help states implement teacher accountability systems. 8. Increased funding for the Troops-to-Teachers program, which recruits former military personnel to become teachers.

Environment & Energy
1. Killed the Kyoto Global Warming Treaty. 2. Submitted a comprehensive Energy Plan (awaits Congressional action). The plan works to develop cleaner technology, produce more natural gas here at home, make America less dependent on foreign sources of energy, improve national grid, etc. 3. Established a $10 million grant program to promote private conservation initiatives. 4. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops. 5. Changed parts of the Forestry Management Act to allow necessary cleanup of the national forests in order to reduce fire danger. 6. Part of national forests cleanup: Restricted judicial challenges (based on the Endangered Species Act and other challenges), and removed the need for an Environmental Impact Statement before removing fuels/logging to reduce fire danger. 7. Killed Clinton's CO2 rules that were choking off all of the electricity surplus to California. 8. Provided matching grants for state programs that help private landowners protect rare species.

Defense & Foreign Policy
1. Successfully executed two wars in the aftermath of 9/11/01: Afghanistan and Iraq. 50 million people who had lived under tyrannical regimes now live in freedom. 2. Saddam Hussein is now in prison. His two murderous sons are dead. All but a handful of the regime's senior members were killed or captured. 3. Leader by leader and member by member, al Maida is being hunted down in dozens of countries around the world. Of the senior al Qaeda leaders, operational managers, and key facilitators the U.S. Government has been tracking, nearly two-thirds have been taken into custody or killed. The detentions or deaths of senior al Qaeda leaders, including Khalid Shaykh Muhammad, the mastermind of 9/11, and Muhammad Atef, Osama bin Laden's second-in-command until his death in late 2001, have been important in the War on Terror. 4. Disarmed Libya of its chemical, nuclear and biological WMD's without bribes or bloodshed. 5. Continues to execute the War On Terror, getting worldwide cooperation to track funds/terrorists. Has cut off much of the terrorists' funding, and captured or killed many key leaders of the al Qaeda network. 6. Initiated a comprehensive review of our military, which was completed just prior to 9/11/01, and which accurately reported that ASYMMETRICAL WARFARE capabilities were critical in the 21st Century. 7. Killed the old US/Soviet Union ABM Treaty that was preventing the U.S. from deploying our ABM defenses. 8. Has been one of the strongest, if not THE strongest friend Israel has ever hand in the U.S. presidency. 9. Part of the coalition for an Israeli/Palestinian "Roadmap to Peace," along with Great Britain, Russia and the EU. 10. Pushed through THREE raises for our military. Increased military pay by more than $1 billion a year. 11. Signed the LARGEST nuclear arms reduction in world history with Russia. 12. Started withdrawing our troops from Bosnia, and has announced withdrawal of our troops from Germany and the Korean DMZ. 13. Prohibited putting U.S. troops under U.N. command. 14. Paid back UN dues only in return for reforms and reduction of U.S. share of the costs. 15. Earmarked at least 20 percent of the Defense procurement budget for next-generation weaponry. 16. Increased defense research and development spending by at least $20 billion from fiscal 2002 to 2006. 17. Ordered a comprehensive review of military weapons and strategy. 18. Ordered a review of overseas deployments. 19. Ordered renovation of military housing. The military has already upgraded about 10 percent of its inventory and expects to modernize 76,000 additional homes this year. 20. Is working to tighten restrictions on military-technology exports. 21. Brought back our EP-3 intel plane and crew from China without any bribes or bloodshed.

Globalization & Internationalism
1. Challenged the United Nations to live up to their responsibilities and not become another League of Nations (in other words, showed the UN to be completely irrelevant). 2. Killed U.S. involvement in the International Criminal Court. 3. Told the United Nations we weren't interested in their plans for gun control (i.e., the International Ban on Small Arms Trafficking Treaty).* 4. The only President since the founding of the UN to essentially tell that organization it is irrelevant. He said: "The conduct of the Iraqi regime is a threat to the authority of the United Nations, and a threat to peace. Iraq has answered a decade of UN demands with a decade of defiance. All the world now faces a test, and the United Nations a difficult and defining moment. Are Security Council resolutions to be honored and enforced, or cast aside without consequence? Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding, or will it be irrelevant?" We all know the outcome and the answer. 5. Told the Congress and the world, "America will never seek a permission slip to defend the security of our country."

Government Reform
1. Improved government efficiency by putting hundreds of thousands of jobs put up for bid. This weakens public-sector unions and cuts undeserved pay raises. 2. Initiated review of all federal agencies with the goal of eliminating federal jobs (completed September 2003) in an effort to reduce the size of the federal government while increasing private sector jobs. 3. Led the most extensive reorganization the Federal bureaucracy in over 50 years: After 9/11, condensed 20+ overlapping agencies and their intelligence sectors into one agency, the Department of Homeland Security.* 4. Ordered each agency to draft a five-year plan to restructure itself, with fewer managers. 5. Converted federal service contracts to performance-based contracts wherever possible so that the contractor has measurable performance goals.

Health
1. Strengthen the National Health Service Corps to put more physicians in the neediest areas, and make its scholarship funds tax-free. 2. Double the research budget of the National Institutes of Health. 3. Signed Medicare Reform, which includes:
A 10-year privatization option.
Prescription drug benefits: Prior to this reform, Medicare paid for extended hospital stays for ulcer surgery, for example, at a cost of about $28,000 per patient. Yet Medicare would not pay for the drugs that eliminate the cause of most ulcers, drugs that cost about $500 a year. Now, drug coverage under Medicare will allow seniors to replace more expensive surgeries and hospitalizations with less expensive prescription medicine.
More health care choices: As President Bush stated, "…when seniors have the ability to make choices, health care plans within Medicare will have to compete for their business by offering higher quality service [at lower cost]. For the seniors of America, more choices and more control will mean better health care. These are the kinds of health care options we give to the members of Congress and federal employees. What's good for members of Congress is also good for seniors.
New Health Savings Accounts: Effective January 1, 2004, Americans can set aside up to $4,500 every year, tax free, to save for medical expenses. Depending on your tax bracket, that means you'll save between 10 to 35 percent on any costs covered by money in your account. Every year, the money not spent would stay in the account and gain interest tax-free, just like an IRA. These accounts will be good for small business owners, and employees. More businesses can focus on covering workers for major medical problems, such as hospitalization for an injury or illness. At the same time, employees and their families will use these accounts to cover doctors visits, or lab tests, or other smaller costs. Some employers will contribute to employee health accounts. This will help more American families get the health care they need at the price they can afford.

Homeland Security, Border Enforcement & Immigration
1. *See Government Reform above. Under President Bush's leadership, America has made an unprecedented commitment to homeland security. 2. Has CONSTRUCTION in process on the first 10 ABM silos in Alaska so that America will have a defense against North Korean nukes. Has ordered national and theater ballistic missile defenses to be deployed by 2004. 3. Announced a 9.7% increase in government-wide homeland security funding in his FY 2005 budget, nearly tripling the FY 2001 levels (excluding the Department of Defense and Project BioShield). 4. Before DHS was created, there were inspectors from three different agencies of the Federal Government and Border Patrol officers protecting our borders. Through DHS, U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) now consolidates all border activities into a single agency to create "one face at the border." This not only better secures the borders of the United States, but it also eliminates many of the inefficiencies that occurred under the old system. With over 18,000 CBP inspectors and 11,000 Border Patrol agents, CBP has 29,000 uniformed officers on our borders. 5. The Border Patrol is continuing installation of monitoring devices along the borders to detect illegal activity. 6. Launched Operation Tarmac to investigate businesses and workers in the secure areas of domestic airports and ensure immigration law compliance. Since 9/11, DHS has audited 3,640 businesses, examined 259,037 employee records, arrested 1,030 unauthorized workers, and participated in the criminal indictment of 774 individuals. 7. Since September 11, 2001, the Coast Guard has conducted more than 124,000 port security patrols, 13,000 air patrols, boarded more than 92,000 vessels, interdicted over 14,000 individuals attempting to enter the United States illegally, and created and maintained more than 90 Maritime Security Zones. 8. Announced the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System (SEVIS), an internet-based system that is improving America's ability to track and monitor foreign students and exchange visitors. Over 870,000 students are registered in SEVIS. Of 285 completed field investigations, 71 aliens were arrested. 9. This week, the US-VISIT program began to digitally collect biometric identifiers to record the entry and exit of aliens who travel into the U.S on a visa. Together with the standard information, this new program will confirm compliance with visa and immigration policies. 10. Eliminated INS bureaucratic redundancies and lack of accountability. 11. Split the Immigration and Naturalization Service into two agencies: one to protect the border and interior, the other to deal with naturalization. 12. Signed the workplace verification bill to prevent hiring of illegal aliens. 13. Established a six-month deadline for processing immigration applications. 14. Information regarding nearly 100% of all containerized cargo is carefully screened by DHS before it arrives in the United States. Higher risk shipments are physically inspected for terrorist weapons and contraband prior to being released from the port of entry. Advanced technologies are being deployed to identify warning signs of chemical, biological, or radiological attacks. Since September 11, 2001, hundreds of thousands of first responders across America have been trained to recognize and respond to the effects of a WMD attack.

Judiciary & Tort Reform
1. Is urging federal liability reform to eliminate frivolous lawsuits. 2. Killed the liberal ABA's unconstitutional role in vetting federal judges. The Senate is supposed to advise and consent, not the ABA. 3. Is nominating strong, conservative judges to the judiciary. 4. Supports class action reform bill which limits lawyer fees so that more settlement money goes to victims.

Politics
1. His leadership resulted in Republican gains in the House and Senate, solidifying Republican control of both houses of Congress and the presidency. 2. Signed an EO enforcing the Supreme Court's Beck decision regarding union dues being used for political campaigns against individual's wishes.

Second Amendment
1. Ordered Attorney General Ashcroft to formally notify the Supreme Court that the OFFICIAL U.S. government position on the 2nd Amendment is that it supports INDIVIDUAL rights to own firearms, and is NOT a Leftist-imagined "collective" right. 2. Signed TWO bills into law that arm our pilots with handguns in the cockpit. 3. Currently pushing for full immunity from lawsuits for our national gun manufacturers. 4. *See Globalization & Internationalism.

Traditional Values, Compassion & Volunteerism
1. Endorses and promotes "The Responsibility Era." President Bush often speaks of the necessity of personal responsibility and civic volunteerism. He said, "In a compassionate society, people respect one another and take responsibility for the decisions they make in life. My hope is to change the culture from one that has said, if it feels good, do it; if you've got a problem, blame somebody else β€” to one in which every single American understands that he or she is responsible for the decisions that you make; you're responsible for loving your children with all your heart and all your soul; you're responsible for being involved with the quality of the education of your children; you're responsible for making sure the community in which you live is safe; you're responsible for loving your neighbor, just like you would like to be loved yourself." 2. Started the USA Freedom Corps, the most comprehensive clearinghouse of volunteer opportunities ever offered. For the first time in history, Americans can enter geographic information about where they want to get involved, such as state or zip code, as well as areas of interest ranging from education to the environment, and they can access volunteer opportunities offered by more than 50,000 organizations across the country and around the world. 3. Established the The White House Office and the Centers for the Faith-Based and Community Initiative β€” located in seven Federal agencies. The faith-based initiative supports the essential work of these important organizations. The goal is to make sure that grassroots leaders can compete on an equal footing for federal dollars, receive greater private support, and face fewer bureaucratic barriers. Work focuses on at-risk youth, ex-offenders, the homeless and hungry, substance abusers, those with HIV/AIDS, and welfare-to-work families. 4. The White House released a guidebook fully describing the Administration's belief that faith-based groups have a Constitutionally-protected right to maintain their religious identity through hiring β€” even when Federal funds are involved. 5. Issued an EO implementing the Supreme Court's Olmstead ruling, which requires moving disabled people from institutions to community-based facilities when possible. 6. Increased funding for low-interest loan programs to help people with disabilities purchase devices to assist them. 7. Revised the Department of Housing and Urban Development's Section 8 rent subsidies to disabled people, permitting them to use up to a year's worth of vouchers to finance down payments on homes. HUD has started pilot programs in 11 states. 8. Committed US funds to purchase medicine for millions of men, women and children now suffering with AIDS in Africa. 9. Heeding the words of our own Declaration of Independence, the president laid out the non-negotiable demands of human dignity for all people everywhere. On January 29, 2002, he said, "No nation owns these aspirations, and no nation is exempt from them. We have no intention of imposing our culture. But America will always stand firm for the non-negotiable demands of human dignity." As stated by the President, they are a virtual manifesto of conservative principles:
Equal Justice
Freedom of Speech
Limited Government Power
Private Property Rights
Religious Tolerance
Respect for Women
Rule of Law

Your turn
You are busted. You stole this and claim it as your own, think for yourself. Like I said, a typical Bush follower who cant think on his own. You say democrats just beleive the hype they hear on tv, yet you actually post a stolen website ....now that my freind, is funny.
75% of America agrees with me, I guess they are all stupid and blind, right? Smell the coffee.
Mulaka and the Budwieser dude, thank you for adding to what I am trying to say.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 02:07 AM
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That is funny!! This must be how you came up with how Bush is a liar. I never said Iwrote all that ****. Are you kidding me? You guys just asked for 5 things, this was first on google so Iposted it. (See, some of us do do our research) Suddenly, above I'm a thief because I stole this and claimed it as my own? I love it! Please go back and find where I said I sat down all night and wrote that. My God the research time alone on what was therewould take longer then this post has been around. One other thing I might add before you call me anything else personal: How do you know I didn't write the original and post on that forum?You don't do you, yet.... (No, I'm not, I don't wantto get called a liar, again)My whole point in all of this, it is not just dem against rep. We can't just blindly follow the leaders of one party or another. Please, get the facts yourself. Somebody said how screwed up we are supporting oil companys. How can you be on a Dodge forum and say that? You should be on the Prius forum. Pot, this is Kettle over. Did we make a mistake in Iraq? I already said we did. Did we need to go in there and take out the Saddam regime? I personallythink we did, we just didn't need to stay.Unless anyone of us can claimwe sat in the oval office when the decisions were made, with all the intel in hand, you don't know if it was a good/bad idea. Yes the constitution gives you the right of free speech and you can disagree with the president, but once again, why the hate? Why the "stupid", "pig", "dickwad"? That ain't free speech, that's just mean. I've never called any of you "slimey liberals", hell I don't even know what that term really means anymore, (the liberal part)it gets used in every argument. Somebody wrote a very smart post about consumerism,which caused a lot of thought,then it was instantly turned intosomething about hate.

By the way, I've had my fun,please start another thread, someone, anyone? (don't judge me on this to, I'm just bored.)
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:28 AM
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That's funny!!! I love all the facts you quoted, oh ...wait...you didn't quote any facts. Only what you believe in. Good on you, nothing wrong with that, I just can't do that. It's not all black&white to me everytime I turn on the news. They are trying to make more money then Enron, and will report what they want. Ask Dan Rather. No child left behind a failure? I don't get it? When was that announced? What facts do you have on that? Oh yea, that's what CNN said. Is there one set of numbers or fact I stated above False? Please post it.Seriously though, I must say that I really can't respect your statement that Bush, or anybody else, is to blame for VT shooting. It wasn't the slow response of the police, it wasn't the gun shop owner, it sure as crap wasn't Bush. It was amentally-whacked man. No more, no less. If you can look in the future and see when something like this will happen then fine please tell us, but to sit there after the fact and judge why it happened, and how it could have been preventedI feel is extremely direspectful. No, I do not support the NRA, nor do I support gun control groups. They are extremists at both ends. I own guns and have no problem waiting to purchase them or getting a special permit. On the other side if we ban guns then we must also ban smokes and booze because they kill more people then anything. And finally, do you have to be so damn nasty when you speak of this nations leaders? "little pig", "Dickwad" My god man, if I used that language toward you I would expect an ***-whoopin. Are you that angry? Can you please tell me how any of your "negative" statements has personally affected you to such an extent? I just don't understand why everyone is so bitter.
I still am amazed and laughing that you said I didnt state any facts, neither did you, you merely copied an article that was written by somebody else.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:43 AM
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You asked for it. These mean something to me, of course you won't agree and counter every single one of them. I could come up with the same thing for Clinton as well.That's what makes it a democracy!! Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the man needs to be impeached, kicked out, etc. Lying? Scandals? Name a presidency that didn't have that! This one has nothing that can be proven, yet.(ok, I'll give you Carter, but he did nothing either pos or neg) Hell, even FDR had a mistress, very well known. Kennedy hid his illness from the country when it could have affected judgement calls. I voted for Bush because he was the lessor of two evils. I don't follow any party, I don't let others do my decision making. I think for myself and make the choice for the best person at the time andat the time he was the best choice for me.

And no, I don't think I know more then civilians just because I'm military. I didn't say join anything, I said go there and see for yourself. People will believe anything and everything the press reports. Make no mistake, media is driven by profits and you don't make a profit by coming on the air and saying"It's all good, see you tomorrow!"

Abortion & Traditional Values
1 . . . BLAH BLAH BLAH
Did you come up with that all by yourself? Oh wait, here is a site from 2006,
http://www.nicedoggie.net/2006/?p=1492#comment-51542

So you are basically repeating something you read from someone else. Kinda like someone repeating something from CNN. Or maybe that fake news agency, whats it called? Oh yeah FOX news. Jon Stewart is more reputable than FOX. By the way, Senior Aides of Bush quit ahead of time. I wonder why, I wonder why Powell quit? Like it was said before, during war time a country profits and economics seem to be good.
You dont hear anything about Taiwan anymore and that whole fear of a war with China. You know probably a high percentage of things are made in China, so anyone that tells me that they own everything American is a liar. Too much money is invested in China to wage war against them. Besides we owe them money too. Yes, China lends us money, because they own a large amount of our currency. So, lets pick on the little guys. Also, if we wanted to free a country from a dictator, wouldnt have been cheaper to invade Cuba? or Venezuela? Why go across the world to free people that really dont want us there? "IF HISTORY REPEATS ITSELF", then you know what, let people decide what they want. This country wanted freedom from England, so we fought, we died for our future and that of our kids. We declared independence because thats what we wanted. If we did not wanted it, we would still be a colony. Oh wait maybe we still are HEHE!!
Thats my point, there is more, just dont open my lid.
Eltupac, YOU are the one that rocks, way to bust this dude and what you posted is right on target. There is just too much scandal and corruption with this administration to just sit back and respect them just because they are our leaders. Isnt that what Iraq was like when King Hussein was in power? It sounds like a double standard to me. Our brave forces are fighting for our right to say and feel what we choose, not get on our knees and bow to the white house. These people voted for Bush and of course will not admit to being wrong-that is the bottom line. Time will tell. Cheney is in some deep crap right now, 75% of the country think Bush is corrupt and incompetent and the dems are in power.....enough said. Republicans are a laughing stock and they dont like it one bit. Now I am sure Clintons name will be brought up again, but lets not forget, he is not our President and hasnt been for 7 long corrupt years. We are talking about Bush, lets get over the blow job shall we? Clinton lied, nobody died-Bush lied, 3600 died.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 05:51 AM
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I keep hearing cold hard facts from actual job performance countered by nothing more than here-say and personal hate beliefs. Now someone brings Walmart into the picture as being bad and communist. Walmart must have then been founded by Bush right? I mean, come on, Gore founded the internet, right? This again is cold hard fact of the FLIP-FLOPPER. Bash Walmart left and right, then go and shop there. That makes a lot of sense.
True fact. Truman sold the USA out after WWII to the russians, starting the cold war. Go back and read it in the history books.
This is bound to be the longest posting this site has ever seen.
I didn't like Clinton as a president, however, if offered the opportunity, I would have gladly shaken his hand and said "Glad to meet you Mr. President", not throw rocks and bottles. Where do you guys get all this hate from? You have jobs? Do you have houses? Do you feel you fear for your life in the neighborhood you live?? What is so bad about the country we live in right here and now? If your biggest concern is how to put gas in your Ram, then only here in the good ole USA can you either get rid of the Ram, take another job, or change jobs completely. You have choice.
Lucky for all of you haters, Bush can't run again. I suppose his replacementshould be Hillary to fix it all for us? Raise your taxes, give you all free healthcare benefits on Uncle Sam? You think Iraq was expensive?
Actually it will take several presidential terms to correct the mess that bush has made, foreign and domestic affairs, middle class economy, healthcare etc.
By the way you mention free healthcare. If it is free then why is mine $1300 a month for a family of three? Doesnt sound free to me. Ford just laid off 23,000 employees, dodge 13,000, Chevy 20,000 and the list goes on and on. Where do ou get how great the economy is? And what color is the sky in your world?
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 08:28 AM
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You guys need to pop a lude, although it is good entertainment watching you guys go back and forth, "My daddy makes more than your daddy..." "Does not." "Does too." Etc... You guys argue like a bunch of kids but like I said it is entertaining. Almost like one of those reality shows.
What is entertaing is when someone posts a picture of himself trying to look like a pirate and calling himself pirata..lol
If you are refering to my profile picture I am in the jungle of Panama looking for treasure left by the Spaniards in the 1600's. I have on a yellow futbol Colombia shirt, a purple bandana to keep the sweat out of my eyes, apair of DCU pants (cut off to the cargo pocket so they are now shorts),a pair of boots, a backpack (with shovel and machette) and a metal detector in my other hand. Nope, not trying to look like a pirate there just find a little treasure.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 09:34 AM
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bloodsug. and Pirata, lol (actually did), made me log in to see the pic.[sm=lol.gif]

Duso02, I won't dispute any of the facts you posted, but googling, cut, and paste, is not research. Just as an example, arandom one I had an interest in, for partial birth abortion. How many lives will be saved per year because of this? What percentage of overall abortions are partial birth? How many pork-barrel "amendments" were added to this bill before it passed, what were some, and what did they cost? Last, is the supreme court now controlled by pro-life judges? (I honestly don't know) If so why not reverse Roe v. Wade entirely?

These are ?'s I thought of when this passed. I used to dig deep into politics, too, and I would have lookedinto this as well, I'm just too busy andlazy lately.

I'm not trying to bust your ***** or look for a fight, honest, I just felt if I looked into this I would be disappointed in what I found.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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That is funny!! This must be how you came up with how Bush is a liar. I never said Iwrote all that ****. Are you kidding me? You guys just asked for 5 things, this was first on google so Iposted it. (See, some of us do do our research) Suddenly, above I'm a thief because I stole this and claimed it as my own? I love it! Please go back and find where I said I sat down all night and wrote that. My God the research time alone on what was therewould take longer then this post has been around. One other thing I might add before you call me anything else personal: How do you know I didn't write the original and post on that forum?You don't do you, yet.... (No, I'm not, I don't wantto get called a liar, again)My whole point in all of this, it is not just dem against rep. We can't just blindly follow the leaders of one party or another. Please, get the facts yourself. Somebody said how screwed up we are supporting oil companys. How can you be on a Dodge forum and say that? You should be on the Prius forum. Pot, this is Kettle over. Did we make a mistake in Iraq? I already said we did. Did we need to go in there and take out the Saddam regime? I personallythink we did, we just didn't need to stay.Unless anyone of us can claimwe sat in the oval office when the decisions were made, with all the intel in hand, you don't know if it was a good/bad idea. Yes the constitution gives you the right of free speech and you can disagree with the president, but once again, why the hate? Why the "stupid", "pig", "dickwad"? That ain't free speech, that's just mean. I've never called any of you "slimey liberals", hell I don't even know what that term really means anymore, (the liberal part)it gets used in every argument. Somebody wrote a very smart post about consumerism,which caused a lot of thought,then it was instantly turned intosomething about hate.

By the way, I've had my fun,please start another thread, someone, anyone? (don't judge me on this to, I'm just bored.)
You're a tool. You posted someone else’s work without citing the source...that's claiming it as your own.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 09:50 AM
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geez. what a debate. All I have to say on this is that we should keep our noses out of everyone elses **** like every other country in the world does (for the most part) and just worry about our own economy. Short and simple, if we payed more attention to our current status things would be a lot better around here. Gas is stupid, there are so many alternatives that do not even put us at risk of having to make major changes to our lives that arer cheaper! Look at the people doing propane conversions on there trucks on the forum. I visit Brazil every year, and they have a pretty neat system. I dont remember the exact numbers, but there fuel contains something like 80% sugar cane. Politics just want to make us think theres no alternative and were going to die without our so claimed $4 a gallon thats coming at us this summer. As a country we need to start thinking outside the box.
 
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Old May 9, 2007 | 12:01 PM
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Eltupac, YOU are the one that rocks
Thanks my Chili Pepper Buddy. But I have to agree with Duso on one thing. Let's try to keep it civilized. Calling names to each other is not what this site is about. Its about bringing Dodge owners together. If we disagree on things, we tell each other. We bring facts and thoughts and feelings, but in the end we are kinda brothers in a way, and as brothers after a big fight we hug and drink beer.
Aside from the sissy stuff I just posted above , I just want to point out, that no one here hates this country. I am incredibly thankful for all the opportunities I have and that I would not have had in my birth country. Like it was mentioned before, I can have a house, a truck, a family. But as I love this country this much, it hurts me to see it being hated by other countries, it hurts me to see that I am hated because of the actions of a few. That is why we question the actions of the few. That is why we blame the people that rule, because they are not doing their job. When someone doesnt do their job, you fire them. Its not about being liberal or conservative, its about knowing exactly what is going on and correcting the problem. If you really believe what FOX news tells you, if you really believe what the government tells you, then you are a complacent person.
If you really dont want to know why there was no bid on the reconstruction of Iraq and it was given to Halliburton, where Cheney used to work, then you are complacent person.
If you really dont want to know why contractors in Iraq make more money than you and the soldiers dying there, then you are complacent person.
If you really dont want to know why the government doesnt want the media to cover the dead soldiers arriving here, then you are complacent person.
I can go on, and I can give you references such as sites, but then I am not doing anything for you, because you are the one that has to want to do this. You are the one that has to want to know the truth. You have to get off your *** and stop watching FOX news and read and listen to other sources and make an informed decision, like I did, like other guys here have done.
 
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