Got a call from AEM today about my truck on the dyno
They clog faster because they are oiled. In a normal dry element filter, the dry dust will wind up ejecting when you hit a bump. I've been offroading for a long time, and you always see the kids buy the K&N junk and then remove it after the first dusty trailride.
K&N works just fine on a paved street where there isn;t a lot of dirt in the air, but if there is a lot of fine dust/dirt - some goes into the motor and some gets stuck on the oiled media.
K&N works just fine on a paved street where there isn;t a lot of dirt in the air, but if there is a lot of fine dust/dirt - some goes into the motor and some gets stuck on the oiled media.
i will agree with you 100% on this statement. luckily im a cityslicker from detroit!
the only dirt road my truck sees is "up north" probably 10 miles or so spread out over a year...
If the K&N clogs faster it is stopping more stuff. If you just clean it then it will not allow the crap through. It can not clog faster and stop less, does not add up, well unless you do not clean it.
I am not defending K&N in any way, just stating if it clogs faster it has to be stopping more.
I am not defending K&N in any way, just stating if it clogs faster it has to be stopping more.
Last edited by AZRAM1500; Jun 7, 2009 at 11:33 AM.
ALL "independent" tests are bias. This guy wanted to feel better about spending less money. I've seen it first hand with oils. I highly doubt the R&D of a high flow filter was done by a bunch of hillbillies drinking moon shine saying "hey less make a new type o' filter and make it look red and say ya' cin go faster. . ." they did testing to justify and test the theory. Everything is a trade off. Gain power hear, lose power there. Spend less here, spend more there. Whatever you fancy, normal driving, it doesn't matter what you put in as long as there is something there. Until I see a dyno pull for every filter in every vehicle I will never belive that it gains "x" amount across the board.
Yes I would say that is a bad thing.
Believe what you like, but here is one of the local setups. These arn't some hillbilly setup in a parking lot.
http://www.hitechmotorsport.com/inde...d=31&Itemid=44
And here is one climate control systems used for dyno cells
http://www.stoweenterprises.com/dynoair.htm
http://www.hitechmotorsport.com/inde...d=31&Itemid=44
And here is one climate control systems used for dyno cells
http://www.stoweenterprises.com/dynoair.htm
Did you happen to look and see who Stowes customers are? Might want to take a look 
http://www.stoweenterprises.com/project.htm
The serious race guys use dynos like that, and there are several of them near me.

http://www.stoweenterprises.com/project.htm
The serious race guys use dynos like that, and there are several of them near me.
I am keeping my K&N drop in since I hate paying 11$ every oil change for a paper filter.
We have a lifetime warranty on our engines anyway. I am not worried. Where is the study of the % of engines that fail due to a K&N drop in? Give me that and maybe I will change my mind.
We have a lifetime warranty on our engines anyway. I am not worried. Where is the study of the % of engines that fail due to a K&N drop in? Give me that and maybe I will change my mind.
I want to see the oil analysis on a truck that used a K&N compared to a truck that did not use a K&N. The engines need to have the same miles, be the same type, etc. What I am saying is that I want to see a real experiment with the only variable being the filters.
What were the driving conditions of the truck tested? Was it in a sandy area or was it a city, suburbs, etc?
Bearings wear out over time anyway. Another question I have is how does an increase in dirt in the intake, intake manifold, and combustion chamber end up in the oil? I understand there is blow by, but an increase that causes bearing to fail means dirt is getting in the crank case.
If the K&N clogs faster it is stopping more stuff. If you just clean it then it will not allow the crap through. It can not clog faster and stop less, does not add up, well unless you do not clean it.
I am not defending K&N in any way, just stating if it clogs faster it has to be stopping more.
I am not defending K&N in any way, just stating if it clogs faster it has to be stopping more.
Read this report that compares a K&N type filter to an OEM AC Delco filter.
http://www.duramax-diesel.com/spicer/index.htm
Ok, the test is a measure of filter restriction.
The K&N filter starts out restricting 4.45 inches of water.
The OEM filter starts out restricting 6.23 inches of water.
The test was run by feeding the filter dirt at a constant rate of 9.6 grams per minute. During the test the restriction of each filter was measured as well as the amount of time it took for the filter to reach a maximum restriction limit of 10 in/h2o+initial restriction. (so 14.45 inches of water MAX for the K&N and 16.23 inches of water for the OEM filter).
The K&N filter
- Reached its maximum restriction level in 24 min. (3 times faster than OEM)
- Captured 221 Grams of dirt (37% less than OEM)
- Passed 7 Grams of dirt into the engine (18 times more dirt in the engine than OEM).
- Reached its maximum restriction level in 60 min.
- Captured 574 Grams of dirt.
- Passed 0.4 grams of dirt into the engine.
I cant make this argument any simpler.
And to me it's somewhat revealing that when K&N does their testing that they do not do fine dust testing on gasoline engine filters. My suspicious side says that if they performed acceptably with the fine dust that they would use those results.
http://www.knfilters.com/efficiency_testing.htm
Under the parameters of the ISO test, the user may select the grade of test dust used. The content of the two most commonly used types of ISO test dust for air filters are as follows:
As has become customary in the automotive industry, we use Coarse Test Dust for gasoline engine air filters and Fine Test Dust for diesel engine air filters. This practice of using different grades of test dust developed because Diesel engines require higher levels of filtration because they operate at much higher compression and require finer tolerances than Gasoline engines.
http://www.knfilters.com/efficiency_testing.htm
Under the parameters of the ISO test, the user may select the grade of test dust used. The content of the two most commonly used types of ISO test dust for air filters are as follows:
As has become customary in the automotive industry, we use Coarse Test Dust for gasoline engine air filters and Fine Test Dust for diesel engine air filters. This practice of using different grades of test dust developed because Diesel engines require higher levels of filtration because they operate at much higher compression and require finer tolerances than Gasoline engines.



