As I understand it, Chrysler had their back to the wall and either had to "sell" to Fiat, or go thru a complete liquidation bankruptcy. So if Chrysler "sold" for zero dollars, why does that keep them out of bankruptcy? Seems to me they could have come up with the same zero dollars if no one bought them out? Anyone care to explain that one to me?

MOPWR2U

 

they were promised more tarp money by Oboma if they let a foreign car company take over because Fiat's little standard shift no air conditioned cars they sold to Russia and N. Korea got good gas mileage which will allow them to start building cars that we want,( I thought I wanted a full size Hemi Dodge Ram but what do I know?) part of the redistribution
of wealth we voted for, I say Oboma because congress has not cast 1 vote either for or against about going into the car business

 

I guess for me the honeymoon is over. I hate unions, I would never buy a fiat anything, and I can't stand govt intervention in the free market. Looks like I've bought my last chrysler/dodge vehicle. I would cry if it would change anything! Jeff.

 

Just replace your new 10' Fiat Ram with Dodge emblems!

 

Obama orchestrated (forced) the Bankruptcy and Sale of the world's #6 Car Maker to the world's #7 Car Maker for a number of reasons - most of which will likely NEVER make sense for those of us who supported Dodge to the end (recent Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep purchasers) OR those of us who will be paying the tab for the next many years (US taxpayers).

Did he (and his policy team) do this because:

• The European Car Maker who hadn't sold a "normal" car on American Shores in 20 years somehow has cars that the average American wants ?? And these cars would somehow fill holes in the catalog of Dodge Trucks and Jeep products that have held Chrysler's head above water since the Minivan Days ??
• The American Car Makers needed another lesson in Quality from a European Car Company, this time by the maker rated worse than Chrysler ??
• Obama wanted to improve (save) the situation of the Union, although the Bankruptcy ended up treating UAW quite roughly (and left them "holding the bag" with 58% ownership. Maybe the UAW will figure out how to help build up instead of kill a Car Company, this time.
• The policy makers decided that the best way to reduce US conflict with the Middle East is to reduce our Fuel Consumption. And they somehow figure that because micro-cars work OK in the crowded cities and smaller geographic area of Europe, that it will work just as well in the larger USA. (Or may be part of a long-term plan to rebuild the Airline Industry because fewer folks will be able to drive long inter-city distances in glorified go-karts.)
• The policy makers decided that the best way to reduce US conflict with Europe is to make progress on the European-favored Kyoto Protocols by vilifying SUVs and full-size Trucks of GM and Chrysler, and sell one of them to Europe and parts of the other to China. And in return, push for a transition to smaller vehicles (after all, what else does Fiat or the Chinese auto industries produce??)

Combine the facts and frustrations and rumors and general confusion that is flowing freely out there, any or all of these could be true.

Myself, I think that we could have done better if we'd forced AIG through Bankruptcy, and allowed some of the over-leveraged Banks get folded into the better ones. The basic public wouldn't have been hurt directly, because our deposits would have been guaranteed by the Feds. But the fat cats would have been killed by their bad investments - and We Can't Have That... The money handed to AIG could have funded massive investments in all sorts of US industries, including the auto industry and the renewable energy industry. We could have been looking forward to everything short of flying cars and zero-emissions trucks within 10 years.

 

(wow, see what happens when TNT wraps a NASCAR Caution with long sets of boring commercials... sorry everyone... )

 

You didn't say what wine you used. Did the crow taste like chicken??lol

 

I find that a large amount of Tennessee whiskey goes best with crow.

You are obviously pissed off about the predicament in which we all find ourselves, and I am right there with you. I despise the current administration and all that they stand for. It is purely un-American. Dr. Bill says that "We have some incredibly idiotic fools in Washington".
It took the same in kind to put them there. I gather you are from Texas, so most of your local politicians probably feel the same way you do. Perhaps you could write a letter to that elitist MF that lives in the White House instead of complaining about it here. I mean no offense by that at all. I complain about it all the time.

 

Why hate unions? Unions have raised quality of the work place for all.
The unions didn't do this to dodge, ford, and GM. (but things did need to change now)
The big three put more effort into fighting the government over setting minimal MPG standards then updating their 40 year old engine technology.
Cheap oil is dieing like the dinosaurs did, and if the big 3 don’t change, they will die to. A truck that get 13 mpg probably be worthless if oil go to 200 plus a barrel in 2 years time.

Have a good day.

 

40 year old technology? The internal combustion engine has been around since the 19th century. Today's engines are still a crankshaft, pistons, valves, etc. They have changed a lot, but Fiat and all of the others are still updating the same old design that revolves around 4 strokes/cycles. It is not just Chrysler. Chrysler chose to use the name Hemi, yet if you look at the heads of a new Hemi, they are a far cry from hemispherical.

The internal combustion engine is always going to be inefficient.