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Wait. What!?
Please, what stats does the 6.7 Cummins have that are "AMAZING" and better than the Duramax?? You mean, the lower power?
And a tuner on a stock setting waking it up? (*shakes head*)
The Duramax (current LML) is rated at 397hp/756trq. Current Cummins 6.7 is 350hp/800trq. That extra horsepower combined with the V8 architecture will walk the Cummins every day of the week, empty or loaded. The Ram will get its a$$ handed to it. Everyone knows that. That 397hp/756trq will also walk the 400hp/800trq 6.7 Powerstroke, all day every day. The Duramax is a running SOB.
It also gets better mileage than the 6.7 Cummins does and has a better transmission backing it.
Please, what stats does the 6.7 Cummins have that are "AMAZING" and better than the Duramax?? You mean, the lower power?
And a tuner on a stock setting waking it up? (*shakes head*)
The Duramax (current LML) is rated at 397hp/756trq. Current Cummins 6.7 is 350hp/800trq. That extra horsepower combined with the V8 architecture will walk the Cummins every day of the week, empty or loaded. The Ram will get its a$$ handed to it. Everyone knows that. That 397hp/756trq will also walk the 400hp/800trq 6.7 Powerstroke, all day every day. The Duramax is a running SOB.
It also gets better mileage than the 6.7 Cummins does and has a better transmission backing it.
IF you look at the "stats" the cummins puts out numbers at much lower values then the duramax. Which I am sure you already know is better. As far as the new powerstroke, it is much more comparable to the cummins, and kicks the duramax butt in stats. If you don't already know this either, 200rpm in a diesel means a world of difference vs a gas.
BUT AGAIN! I don't look at those stats. You take all three trucks, STOCK 2012 models. Pull the same trailer up the same road. The duramax pulls the best hands down. Best pulling power/engine response times, with reasonable economy. Fords got the mileage part beaten, but that motor lags worse then the cummins. Cummins is laggy all the way, although has the best exhaust brake (for what its worth) with again reasonable mileage.
What I meant with the tuner part. Take and put the tuner and just run it on stock setting for comparison between tuner stock and STOCK. The tuner is gonna get rid of all that computer crap that lags that motor down. When I hit the pedal I want it to go! Not decide on how much power/turbo its gonna cut off at. Yes of course your gonna see the same type of thing with the other motors, but the cummins gets the best responses. (By word from H&S forums) I can also say from experience that its a whole truck. If I kept the truck and could not tune it, id have traded it off in a week and gone back the Hemi, cause it pulled better than that. Oh and I am not talking tuning up 3 levels and seeing HP increases here.
Also look at the mileage stats givin off by automakers. They are ALL out to lunch I don't care what you say...The ecoboost? 32MPG? Good luck, I know a few guys who couldn't hit 22! On a good day! They also advertise the new Hemi here in Canada at 36MPG! There is no way you will ever reach that!
All those numbers are advertising numbers, the bigger the more interest your gonna get...
All I am trying to say is stats mean nothing until you can actually put that motor in the truck...Now we are just starting to see what the reliability of these new motors are, but in all reality its still too early to tell whos gonna win there. But with the older models you can learn that from EXPERIENCE.
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Actually, the Cummins is a better motor, especially for towing. It's an inline 6 so it's in balance with itself. It doesn't need a special crankshaft for it to be balanced. And, they have higher torque at lower RPMs, all thanks to the mechanics of the inline 6. And out of the three diesels in production, (Powerstroke, Cummins, and Duramax), the Cummins gets the best gas mileage.
The Cummins makes 350hp at 3,000rpm, the 6.7 Powerstroke makes 400hp at 2,800rpm, the Duramax makes 397hp at 3,000rpm. The Cummins also gets the worst mileage out of the three, another fact. It lacks SCR, which the other two use, and dumps far more gasses back through the intake via EGR and has to regen more than the other two. More regens equals more fuel burnt.
Go drive them, all three. I guarantee you the Duramax will be the quicker, the Powerstroke will be second, and the Cummins last. The "feel" will be different, but the V8's will outpull and outhaul the Cummins every day of the week.
NVH, ever heard of it? The Cummins shakes a hell of a lot more than the V8's do.
No it won't.
IF you look at the "stats" the cummins puts out numbers at much lower values then the duramax. Which I am sure you already know is better. As far as the new powerstroke, it is much more comparable to the cummins, and kicks the duramax butt in stats. If you don't already know this either, 200rpm in a diesel means a world of difference vs a gas.
BUT AGAIN! I don't look at those stats. You take all three trucks, STOCK 2012 models. Pull the same trailer up the same road. The duramax pulls the best hands down. Best pulling power/engine response times, with reasonable economy. Fords got the mileage part beaten, but that motor lags worse then the cummins. Cummins is laggy all the way, although has the best exhaust brake (for what its worth) with again reasonable mileage.
What I meant with the tuner part. Take and put the tuner and just run it on stock setting for comparison between tuner stock and STOCK. The tuner is gonna get rid of all that computer crap that lags that motor down. When I hit the pedal I want it to go! Not decide on how much power/turbo its gonna cut off at. Yes of course your gonna see the same type of thing with the other motors, but the cummins gets the best responses. (By word from H&S forums) I can also say from experience that its a whole truck. If I kept the truck and could not tune it, id have traded it off in a week and gone back the Hemi, cause it pulled better than that. Oh and I am not talking tuning up 3 levels and seeing HP increases here.
I fully agree on the mileage numbers, it's all BS. EPA mileage numbers are in near-perfect conditions inside a lab, not in the real world.
Not trying to argue, but the old school thinking is gone nowadays. I'm not new to the diesel game, I'm not ignorant, there is an underlying reason I have a Dodge diesel (I much prefer the Dodge pickup itself, and the Cummins is in my opinion the best engine out there) but the V8's are right there with it, and that Duramax is on par with the Cummins in being the best engine out there. One hell of an engine in a crap wrapper
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Do people actually do ANY research before typing??
I could go hook up to 30k with my 07 right now and pull it, no problem. It's been done for years.
The new 2013 is indeed rated at max 30k lb towing. The chassis cab trucks (there is NO 650/6500 Ram BTW) have higher payload ratings
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I research alot of things that get me curious... Others dont... It is pointless in arguing with people who just think they know...
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/01...30000-lbs.html
http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2013/01...30000-lbs.html
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Incorrect.
Do people actually do ANY research before typing??
I could go hook up to 30k with my 07 right now and pull it, no problem. It's been done for years.
The new 2013 is indeed rated at max 30k lb towing. The chassis cab trucks (there is NO 650/6500 Ram BTW) have higher payload ratings
Do people actually do ANY research before typing??
I could go hook up to 30k with my 07 right now and pull it, no problem. It's been done for years.
The new 2013 is indeed rated at max 30k lb towing. The chassis cab trucks (there is NO 650/6500 Ram BTW) have higher payload ratings
Okay, the artical posted above and on the datta sheet at the verry bottom, a 6speed automatic with a 410 in a ctd 3500 will pull 30,000 lbs, I stand Corrected!!!
Last edited by cyclone429; Jan 13, 2013 at 04:04 PM.
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The main thing to remember with these maximum tow capacities is they are with properly balanced loads on properly maintained equipment with good to excellent brakes, tires etc under normal weather conditions. There is very little room for error or oversights in these numbers. Everyone be safe . 
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The main thing to remember with these maximum tow capacities is they are with properly balanced loads on properly maintained equipment with good to excellent brakes, tires etc under normal weather conditions. There is very little room for error or oversights in these numbers. Everyone be safe .
you so funny.