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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 07:20 PM
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Was doing some reading on autoblog and came across this article:

Chrysler may not be in the best of shape, but apart from the federal government, someone may be willing to throw the beleaguered automaker a lifeline. And it may prove to be a mutually-beneficial relationship.

Even before things went belly up in Detroit, reports indicate that Italian auto giant Fiat was in discussions with Chrysler executives about a potential collaboration. Europe's third largest automaker, which was previously in bed with General Motors, is eager to expand into the North American market, and America's third largest automaker is equally anxious to expand overseas. Thus, the two companies may be in a position to help each other out.

From Fiat's point of view, if it is going to bring the 500 and its Alfa Romeo marque to North America, it's going to need local manufacturing capacity and an established dealer network to tap into - both of which Chrysler can offer. Meanwhile, Chrysler needs small car platforms and engines to borrow in order to update its lineup (an area in which Fiat excels), as well as a framework to branch into the Latin American market (where Fiat is one of the most popular automakers). We'll have to wait and see how the negotiations proceed, if at all, but compared to some of the other mergers we've seen floated as of late, this looks like a match made in Detroit heaven. Thanks for the tips, everyone!

[Source: Automotive News Europe - subs.req'd]
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/19/s...lks-with-fiat/

Sounds like a good deal to me, What do you guys think?

Edit: it is a done deal as of 1/20/09.

This morning's announcement that Chrysler LLC and Fiat S.p.A. have formed a global strategic alliance is exciting news, to say the least. Fiat gets a 35% stake in Chrysler LLC, and the latter gets a life line that should prevent it from entering bankruptcy in the near future. But we're all about product here at Autoblog, and since we expect Chrysler and Fiat to start sharing theirs at some point, we wanted to check out what's in the Italian automaker's line-up. We've assembled a gallery below that takes you through each model currently on sale by Fiat, and also includes the other brands that they own and/or operate like Ferrari, Maserati and Alfa Romeo. Don't expect an Italian-powered Viper anytime soon, but there is a good chance that we'll see some of these vehicles in Chrysler showrooms in the U.S. once they're redesigned and meet U.S. safety and emissions standards. So click through the gallery below and let us know in the comments which Fiat you'd most like to see for sale on these shores.
http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/20/f...ves-with-fiat/

Another article from cnn:
MILAN (Reuters) -- Italy's Fiat will take a 35% stake in U.S. car maker Chrysler LLC - valued at zero by its part-owner - in a deal aimed at helping the pair survive the worst crisis to hit their industry in decades.
Fiat is not paying cash for the stake but in return will share products and platforms for small cars with Chrysler, which has already grasped billions of dollars from the U.S. government to avoid bankruptcy. It will also share its green technologies.
Chrysler, which makes Jeep and Dodge vehicles, is 80.1% owned by Cerberus Capital Management, which paid $7.2 billion for that stake in 2007. The rest is held by German car maker Daimler (DAI), which considers the 19.9% holding to have no value.
Fiat, worth about $7.5 billion, has said it needs a partner to make it big enough to survive. Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne said in a joint statement the deal was designed to help Fiat boost its volumes. It will also help Fiat return to the U.S. market where it has long been absent.
Chrysler is the No. 3 U.S. car maker by sales. In a letter to employees, Chrysler Chief Executive Bob Nardelli said the deal would "significantly enhance the long-term viability" of the company.
The deal will allow Chrysler to sell in more foreign markets, give it access to fuel-efficient technology and expand its product portfolio with small cars, a Fiat specialty.
The agreement would also help the two cut costs.
Speaking to reporters at an event in Milan, Fiat Vice Chairman John Elkann said Fiat could raise its stake.
Fiat shares jumped 4.46% to 4.68 euros after being halted from trade ahead of the news.
Italian Economy Minister Giulio Tremonti said the alliance was "good news," and a sign of vitality.
Cheap ticket to the U.S.
Analysts said the outlined deal looked mostly positive for Fiat because they saw it as a cheap way for it to enter the U.S. market - still huge despite falling sales, especially for gas-guzzling vehicles.
Some of them had doubts about its success in helping Chrysler, the weakest of Detroit's three car makers.
"What Daimler or private equity could not fix is not likely to be fixed by Fiat," Harald Hendrikse at Bank of America Merrill Lynch said in a note.
Nardelli said he expected the deal to be closed as early as April.
Most of Chrysler's sales are in the U.S. market and they dropped 30% last year.
It burned through $9 billion in the second half of 2008 and ended the year with $2 billion in cash.
Chrysler has held talks with Renault-Nissan and General Motors (GM, Fortune 500) in the past but has denied positioning itself for a sale.
Daimler said on Tuesday it was still interested in selling its stake in Chrysler and welcomed any initiative that served to stabilize the situation at the U.S. car maker.
It has written down the book value of its remaining 19.9% stake to zero.
Like General Motors, which also got government money, Chrysler is required to meet cost-cutting targets as a condition for the loans as well as show it has plans to be viable.
It also has to show it is committed to developing a new line of vehicles that produce fewer harmful emissions.
Europe's sixth biggest car maker by unit sales, Fiat is a specialist in small cars and has one of the more environmentally friendly fleets in the region.

Fiat and Chrysler did not cite estimated cost savings from the agreement but the European edition of the Wall Street Journal said it could be between $3 billion and $4 billion. First Published: January 19, 2009: 12:50 PM ET
 

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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 07:33 PM
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I'm game if it will keep Chrysler afloat!!
 
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At this point, I think it would be the miracle Chrysler fans have been waiting for. Fiat also could sell Chryco a range of small diesels that would be perfect in the Ram. They have a 2.2L that has 200 hp, but 350 ft lbs of torque. In a 1/2 ton Ram, that would probably get 25 mpg. Don't let the small displacement fool you, it would still have decent towing, too. Anybody remember the 2.2L Renualt diesel in the 77 & 78 pickup? We had a 78 that we used on our farm and it was slow, but lasted well over 150k when my dad sold it.
 
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Old Jan 19, 2009 | 08:37 PM
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Fiat??? Last I heard about them they were worst than Chrysler in terms of reliability...
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 12:51 AM
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I dunno man. Ive been thinking about this since I read that this morning. Everybody thought DaimlerBenz was the best thing to happen when it happened. I think its the worst thing thats happened to Chrysler, possibly ever. They milked the company out of what $22 billion, and Chrysler got...shafted. Woopty freakin doo, we got the LX platform. Yay. Sure its pretty good, but not $22 billion good. I read somewhere that the Avenger/Sebring had a Hyundai engine. Is that true? No wonder their crap.

Then you have Cerberus, which is the second worst thing to happen to Chrysler. They dont give a rats @$$ about building cars.

I say we need automotive minded buyers to buy out Cerberus' 80%, somehow talk Lee Iaccoca to take the helm, and Chrysler will be well on its way to revival

Oh yea, the 1/2 tons already getting a 5.0 Cummins V8 diesel...Im sure ya know about that though...
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 03:18 AM
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I think Chrysler needs to work on getting the 200C out, bring back the Neon or a suitable successor, scrap the Aspen (don't need two Durangos) scrap the Compass (It doesn't fit as a Jeep whatsoever), give the Compass a redesign so it at least looks decent and gets better mpg (come on the Neon ran circles around it in fuel economy), accelerate Project D (Sebring/Avenger replacement). Chrysler doesn't need another "merger of equals" or a merger of any kind, they need to get back to doing what they do best, good engineering. Kick the bean counters out of the office for a year and let the engineers run the show. Daimler's reckless cost-cutting and siphoning money and technology from Chrysler is what put them where they are in the first place, what did they get back? Things like the YES Essentials stain resistant fabric, a Daimler technology which stains if your seats get rained on...

I'm solidly against any merger, a strategic partnership for a model or two such as Chrysler and Mitsubishi have had for many years is as far as they should go. All they need to do is hold out a bit longer, they have cars in the pipeline that can turn the company around if they can just hold on and play their cards smartly.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2009 | 08:29 AM
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Another article. 35%

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Fiat-a...-14100518.html
 
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Originally Posted by 94rt10ohio
Just heard this on the news! Woo hooo Looking better IMO...and it sounds promising Chrysler will live
 
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They had to do something about getting some new blood into their cars! IMO they need to scrap every damn car they make and put FIAT technology into a completely new line. Then ditch the "non-Jeep" Compass & Patriot. The Liberty is nothing more than a Nitro anymore either. Give me a damn Wrangler, 4 door Wrangler, Grand Cherokee and let's bring back updated versions of the Cherokee (which the Liberty never was) and Grand Wagoneer (which the commander never was). A Wrangler based small wheel base pickup would be great to, a la Scrambler...
The only two segments in my opinion that are working and profitable the way they are are the truck and mini van lines....
Put me in charge, I'll fix the sh*t...
 
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Originally Posted by HammerZ71
They had to do something about getting some new blood into their cars! IMO they need to scrap every damn car they make and put FIAT technology into a completely new line. Then ditch the "non-Jeep" Compass & Patriot. The Liberty is nothing more than a Nitro anymore either. Give me a damn Wrangler, 4 door Wrangler, Grand Cherokee and let's bring back updated versions of the Cherokee (which the Liberty never was) and Grand Wagoneer (which the commander never was). A Wrangler based small wheel base pickup would be great to, a la Scrambler...
The only two segments in my opinion that are working and profitable the way they are are the truck and mini van lines....
Put me in charge, I'll fix the sh*t...
or pile the shiet higher and deeper... You know all about shiet
 
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