Which engine should I use?
#11
Have you done any research into the differences between the 1/2-ton frame and the 3/4 and 1-ton frames? The 1/2 tons were never designed to handle the torque or weight of the big engines. Your 9.25" rear axle isn't up to the task either. The diesels have 11.5" ring gears, and as you can guess there's a huge difference in strength there.
#12
Well i have looked at a 91 dually 2wd with a cummins in it and i have looked at my truck a saw that i had a more beefy looking frame than the dually around the engine and the rest of the frame looks the same. so im not to worried about twisting anything because i dont plan on putting a tone of power into the motor anyways.
Now as for the axle i would have to say that i might want to change it for that exact reason. the fact that on 1500 it is smaller and most likely will break if you do put power into the diesel or try to tow after the swap.
I have one more question for you dodgetrucker. when you went to the ref did the truck have to have the stock exhaust. I dont know if 12v had a sump catcher or not but if they did, did you have to put that on for the ref?
Now as for the axle i would have to say that i might want to change it for that exact reason. the fact that on 1500 it is smaller and most likely will break if you do put power into the diesel or try to tow after the swap.
I have one more question for you dodgetrucker. when you went to the ref did the truck have to have the stock exhaust. I dont know if 12v had a sump catcher or not but if they did, did you have to put that on for the ref?
#13
O ya sorry to get to off topic johnnyrocket. as for what motor i think it all depends on what you want to spend and how much work you want to spend. 12v cheap easy, 24v a little more pricey and more wires but will work, and 6.7 will be a custom rig and even more wires and cash.
base power shouldn't be your concern because you plan on modding the motor anyways
base power shouldn't be your concern because you plan on modding the motor anyways
#14
Record Breaker
Have you done any research into the differences between the 1/2-ton frame and the 3/4 and 1-ton frames? The 1/2 tons were never designed to handle the torque or weight of the big engines. Your 9.25" rear axle isn't up to the task either. The diesels have 11.5" ring gears, and as you can guess there's a huge difference in strength there.
mine was straight piped into the stacks, there are no diesel conversion laws, and still are not any as far as i know, but i could be wrong
#15
Thanks guys!! I don't mind getting off topic a little; I learn more that way. I DO plan on a tougher rear axle in the immediate future. Another question I have; the legal (and sometimes tougher) end. How do you get out of the OBD2 inspection? Here in N.C., my dad's diesel duallie gets the saftey inpection only. Is it as simple as getting a vehicle inspector check it over? What do I expect? Can I try to apply for a custom vehicle VIN? And can I get the input shaft on my NV4500 changed out and use it, or are they fundamentally different? This will save me $$$
#16
well here in California as everyone knows, we have the most strict smog laws. For example if you go on the magnaflow web site and look at cats there is a 49 state section and then a California section also in California putting anything on your vehicle that wasn't from factory is illegal like putting flows on your truck can get you a fix it ticket. Unless another form of your car has it like a 03 mustang cobra has a supercharger, so that means you can legally put a charger on a 03 gt.Of course the laws don't stop most people from doing stuff because go to the right smog place,for $200 they will pass you.
Now in NC im not sure but i would imagine it is as easy as calling the dmv and saying you are doing a biodiesel conversion, but dont quote me you will have to look into it. If i were you i would start at any type of high performance shop/ diesel tuning shop or you can look at the 4bt fourms http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/index.php
for your input shaft why would you want to change it out? isnt that what came with cummins/v10 anyways
As far as i know you wont have to apply for a custom vin because you already have a vin. the only time you need a custom vin is if you are converting the vehicle or creating a custom one like a buggy. For example my uncle is taking a 85 chevy 2500 frame with a diesel and is putting a hummer shell on it kinda like the urban gorilla conversion but someone else made the shell from scratch and he bought that. Since he is changing the face of the truck he needs a new vin, once again that doesn't mean he is going to apply for the custom vin he is just using the Chevy vin lol. Always look for the easy way out
Now in NC im not sure but i would imagine it is as easy as calling the dmv and saying you are doing a biodiesel conversion, but dont quote me you will have to look into it. If i were you i would start at any type of high performance shop/ diesel tuning shop or you can look at the 4bt fourms http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/index.php
for your input shaft why would you want to change it out? isnt that what came with cummins/v10 anyways
As far as i know you wont have to apply for a custom vin because you already have a vin. the only time you need a custom vin is if you are converting the vehicle or creating a custom one like a buggy. For example my uncle is taking a 85 chevy 2500 frame with a diesel and is putting a hummer shell on it kinda like the urban gorilla conversion but someone else made the shell from scratch and he bought that. Since he is changing the face of the truck he needs a new vin, once again that doesn't mean he is going to apply for the custom vin he is just using the Chevy vin lol. Always look for the easy way out
Last edited by bigjohnellinas; 11-08-2010 at 03:05 PM.
#17
Dodgetrucker when you swapped your motor were all the mounts the same? do you think it is the same for the V8s as well. when i inspected that dually with the cummins the mounts looked the same but do you think there is a difference in maybe the width or anything like that?
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to take a cross-member for the trans mount off a 2500 and use it for the swap on a 1500 you know maybe for added strength or would that be a waste of time
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to take a cross-member for the trans mount off a 2500 and use it for the swap on a 1500 you know maybe for added strength or would that be a waste of time
#18
Record Breaker
Thanks guys!! I don't mind getting off topic a little; I learn more that way. I DO plan on a tougher rear axle in the immediate future. Another question I have; the legal (and sometimes tougher) end. How do you get out of the OBD2 inspection? Here in N.C., my dad's diesel duallie gets the saftey inpection only. Is it as simple as getting a vehicle inspector check it over? What do I expect? Can I try to apply for a custom vehicle VIN? And can I get the input shaft on my NV4500 changed out and use it, or are they fundamentally different? This will save me $$$
the nv4500 behind the gas engines is a completely different animal, but change the bellhousing and it will bolt up and work, but its the same situation as the rear axle...
Dodgetrucker when you swapped your motor were all the mounts the same? do you think it is the same for the V8s as well. when i inspected that dually with the cummins the mounts looked the same but do you think there is a difference in maybe the width or anything like that?
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to take a cross-member for the trans mount off a 2500 and use it for the swap on a 1500 you know maybe for added strength or would that be a waste of time
Does anyone think it would be a good idea to take a cross-member for the trans mount off a 2500 and use it for the swap on a 1500 you know maybe for added strength or would that be a waste of time
#19
i found a whole build thread on the 4bt fourms of this guy who converted his 96 regular cab and made it look like it came from the factory like that electrical and all. i recomend taking a look http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showth...ght=sirhannick