NO DOUBT the turbochargers have WAY more power potential, and turbo lag only depends on the size of the turbine. You can have zero turbo lag if you run a really small compressor and you will have all of the low-end advantages of a supercharger, if you use a huge turbo the lag will be pronounced but your top end gain would be phenomenal. The original post asked about POWER, and hands down two turbos have far greater power gain potential than even the most fatty supercharger you could find. The only problem is with price, it depends totally on your car. Sure you can go to HKS, Greddy, Turbonetics, etc. and get a turbo for $1.5 to $4k, but to turbo something like my GTS would cost me between 40 and 68 THOUSAND DOLLARS!!! I may have a Viper, but I'm not Bill-friggen-Gates. Hennessey, SVS, and Macedo are all out of their damned minds by thinking that just because you own a Viper you are insanely rich. Anyways...I'm getting off topic so I'll shut up now.

 

That's exactly right. I seen all of SVS's offerings for the Vipers and they are impressive, I have also seen the Stage 3 Stryker TT in person and it's unbelieveable, as are the prices of these machines. It is far cheaper than what Mopar Performance offers with the Viper GTS-R, it's around $100,000 more for only 650 horsepower as opposed to the SVS's 1,100+ horsepower, but the Mopar version is far better for road racing and the SVS for drag racing.

 

If you think Super Viper Systems' (SVS) pricing is retarded, you should see Macedo Motorsports and Hennessey Performance Engineering's prices and products. Hennessey in particular has an available 8 second kit for your Viper (Drags Only) but it costs in excess of $190,000.00 plus several thousand to have it shipped to Texas and back. They can also build you a TT, N/A, or S/C track car for a compartative price tag. I just feel a bit out of my league in the realm of Viper owners.

 

[sm=alcoholic.gif] You can have more than ONE supercharger [sm=escape.gif][sm=exactly.gif]Quick

 

Sure, there are lots of ways to get more air in there. If you want to get technical, you can be a moron and twin-charge your car, too. That means mating a supercharger to a turbocharger with one common intercooler to theoretically have the benefits of both super- and turbocharging in one setup. The problem is it rarely works at all, let alone as it was planned. But we are talking MOST COMMONLY a car is single turbocharged or single supercharged. If you want to get really really technical, some cars are quad-turbo. Yes, quad- means four. But the question was what produces the most HP gains. And, as I said before, that would be turbocharging.

 

That is only the second twin supercharger setup I've ever seen, the first was earlier this month and it was a twin blower setup, or heard of and it's the only one with that type of supercharger I've seen. Until almost 3 weeks I had never heard or seen of any multipule supercharger setup or that they were even possible, but when I think about it it's no different than using multipule turbochargers. And judging by the other posts here, this is news to more than just me. That type of supercharger is nothing more than a belt driven turbocharger anyway, I don't see why it isn't refered to as a belt driven turbo. Besides, the car in question is an Avenger and there isn't any twin superchargers for them, or most any other car made for that matter, and it was supercharger (1) vs. twin turbochargers. Procharger has the same type of underhood superchargers for the classic Mopars and if someone wanted to fab the parts they could twin supercharge them just the same as that Viper. Either way, you can only go so far realistically and your limited with both types of forced induction to the same point before parts go flying everywhere.

I wish I had pictures of the one out at National Trail for the Chrysler Classics, it was covered with plastic at the time due to light rain/sprinkling, it was the first twin blown engine I've ever seen. It was a red late 90's-early 00's Ram with two blowers on it mounted in a V. There have got to be pics of it out there somewhere though.

 

71RoadRunner that is exactly what I said. We are talking realistic possibilities for setups, and comparing HP gains from [twin] turbochargers to [single] superchargers. My previous post said exactly that:

Sure, there are lots of ways to get more air in there. If you want to get technical, you can be a moron and twin-charge your car, too. That means mating a supercharger to a turbocharger with one common intercooler to theoretically have the benefits of both super- and turbocharging in one setup. The problem is it rarely works at all, let alone as it was planned. But we are talking MOST COMMONLY a car is single turbocharged or single supercharged. If you want to get really really technical, some cars are quad-turbo. Yes, quad- means four. But the question was what produces the most HP gains. And, as I said before, that would be turbocharging.

There is one (or two) other important point(s) I want to bring up. Compression and displacement. Displacement makes a big difference on forced induction cars, and more so on turbo- than supercharged ones. Sizing up an appropriate turbo for your engine can be challenging but very, very important. When referring to twin-turbo cars, either the engine has a very large displacement (like a Viper) or the turbines are comparatively small (Such as on Toyota Supras, Mazda RX-7s, and Nissan Skylines). Compression is also very important because vehicles with too high of a compression ratio will start breaking stuff left and right if you force-induce it.

I suppose it is quite possible to twin turbocharge your Honda Civic if you wanted to. Whether or not it will move is your problem. I also bring this up in arguements about the new Corvette Z06. It has a phenomenally high compression which is good for N/A power (N/A is naturally aspirated, aka non-turbo- or supercharged), so if one were to bolt on a supercharger they would blow that engine to hell, especially because GM uses cast rods, and not forged. So in order to have a forced induction Z06 (or any new corvette that is) you would have to more or less rebuild the whole engine from scratch with new aftermarket parts, and this will cost you from approximately ten to thirty grand...

Ok I'm done ranting. I hope I've made my point.

 

Hah! It looks like I pretty much cleaned house...no one has said anything else in some time. I guess I proved my point.

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you had read all the posts you would have seen that I had already brought up most of what you said long ago. You could actually go as far as having a single turbo for each cylinder if you wanted to. Everything you mentioned was already brought up and discussed earlier in this thread.[sm=wakeup.gif]

 

jotun.,..if youre still here...where are you from that superchargers can only boost to 7-12 psi? perhaps on a stock motor...

ive seen a 68 GTO wth a 600cid engine and a top mount blower boost 28 psi....dyno'd 1900hp with the bottle, and ran 9s on DOTs.