Hp = RPM X TQ / 5252

15 years... you got to be close to my age then. 15 years ago i was modding my olds 442. Those were the days... Hard to believe you can't come to the realization that not only the dodge 2.0l but most american 4 cyl cars are noting compared to Japanese engines. Think what you please, i am not here to try to change your opinion. I'm just stating facts, unlike yourself.

You say cars with no torque are no good... So those super cars i mentioned are no good? Nobody is comparing a neon or a civic to a super car. I'm comparing your off base comment to real world supercars. So lets go back to school as you say...

You should know that Crank torque by itself is meaningless in determining the engine's ability to accelerate the car. This is because the crank torque is multiplied by the gearing and final drive ratio before it is converted to forward thrust. And physics dictates that an engine putting out 160HP absolutely will provide more forward thrust than a 150HP engine, regardless of what crank torque the two engines have, assuming similar transmission efficiency and optimal gearing for both cars. This is plain high school physics. Unless someone can prove that the laws of thermodynamics and Newtonian physics are false, there is no way around this fact.

so if your as old as you say you are, why do you act like such a child and send a PM like this:



Looks like someone got a little butt hurt... Thanks for the laugh.

k3v

 

Wow. The pure ignorance, total lack of prospective, and lack of maturity thats running through this thread is simply amazing.

 

wow

 

First off all the only Japanese Car company worth a f u ck is Mitsubishi because they are American owned and use American Engines like the 2.0 and the 3.0 VR-4 Engine. The American 4 cylinders you generally speak of as ****tyare most likely japanese such as the Ford probe's Engines and some of their other models.

Having owned both a Civic and a Neon I can tell you there is no competitionbetween a 90s Civic vs a 90s Neon any of the engine options included on either cars, The Neon has more outright power than the Civic. I agree the transmission multiplys the Engines Torque but don't thinkbecause it multiplys torque that it is a substitute for real engineTorque, The 2.0 engine has more torqueand thereforeas an analogy, when your mainaccleration runs out in 3rd gear the only thing keeping you from de-acceleration is the engines torqueand it is the engines torque that helps it overcome those long gears, that iswhy Moparsruled inthe 60sracing circuts because of the Huge Torque advantage, You watcha 60s Drag Race between a 426 Hemi and aOlds 442and you'll see the442's relience on gearinghave it shoot like a Rocket off the line and jump 2 car lengths in front of the hemi but by mid race track the Hemi is leading by 4-5 car lengths and that is because of the engines ability to apply more torque to thehigher gears.

I'm not saying Torque is the only answer to speed but I am saying don't forget it when comparing a 123hp Civic Engine to a 132hp Neon Engine, and even if you want to compare the 160hp Civic Engine it doesnt matterbecauseits torque x hpratio is less than that of a 2.0 Neon Engine, The 160hp Civic engine has 112lbs of torque while the Neon has 131 lbs. I raced alot ofCivic's with my Neon whenI first got it and I am proud to sayI won every Race against a Civic and the Civics weigh even less than the Neon does!!

My point is that the 2.0 Chrysler engine more thanholds its own against the Japanese engines In stock form they are more powerfull and the 1/4 Mile times prove it. Civics are lighter than Neons and yet the Neon still wins the Race.

 

SRT 4 Enough Said

 

I agree with you SRT-4 all the way!

I've heard of SRT-4s running 20lbs of Boost on a stock bottum end.

Engines that would totally cream the Civics and have a reputation are the 2.2 and 2.5 ChryslerTurbocars, with a modified wastegate you can make a 2.2 equiped Charger do a 12 second 1/4mile, these engine can take almost any type of boost you want to throw at them from the stock 7psiall the way up to 29psiwith their stock internals. They are often reffered to as the Most reliable 4 cylinder engine ever made.

My brother was junking his 2.2 Turbo Lazer because of a bad frame and he decided to blow the motor so the junkyard doesnt make money off of the engine, so any way he put the motor up to 6,500 RPM to the FLOORand held it in first gear doing that for over 3 minutes till he gave up and said "let em have it the thing wont blow up!". True story anybody who has owned these can verify its durability.My Momand Dads oldK-Car had 523,000 miles on it when it went to the junk yard, the engine ran great but the car was rusty as hell...lol

Honda's aint got **** on the 2.2 or 2.0 Chrysler engines. The only 2.2 I've ever heard of blowing up was one some Asians owned and they never put oil in the carand it starved itself of oil and they drove it around till it threw a rod through the block.

 

So the original poster is upset because what the guy said is true? Neons are throwaway cars and don't hold any resale value. I love my neon, but I am not kidding myself into thinking it's the best car on the planet. I underdstand that this a neon forum, but the Civic is a great car that can take alot of abuse. If you don't like it fine....but don't say it's a piece of crap, because it just isn't true.

*I'd also like to add that I would like to believe that we can have a debate/discussion without 3rd grade name calling or cursing. So everyone can consider themself warned.*

 

i like civics....just not most of the drivers.....but the same goes for mustangs and camaros

there is a civic with the k20 motor thats runs around town here.....i honestly think that if i could get away with it, i would probally kill sumone for that car

these honda posts are so funny.....
the neons are throw away cars, thats why they have always been so cheap and so easy to find.....go to any jnk yard and compare the number of neons there with the number of civics[X(]

 

i will play too.
1.most Ferraris are 14's cars there not the fastest cars in ther world.
2. i have said it before civics can be fast(lots of mods but they can) don't dis them because there not mopar
3. i love mopar and my neon and my moms feture srt-8 charger
4. jap engines can be very power full look at cars like the supras and skylinesout there with 700hp+ or my personal faverite the r32gtr they could take most cars stock...so you can't judge on usa vs jap
5. i know most civics are bad because of ricers but give creadit where it is do look at all the swaps they have with easy installs
6.the neons may be able to get some huge hp but don't get cocky when you only have a sohc atx slash.
7.last and always least slash i know you say that you have benn building mopars for 15 years but you don't got a super car yet build it then arguee that the neon is the best.

theresalot of misspelled words im sure

 

agreed, they are "throw away" cars. but that means cheaper for all of us. but the junkyard. at my local junkyard that isn't true lol. it took me forever to find the Chrysler section cause it was sooo small. the Honda section was like 2-3 times as big as the Chrsyler one. and they only had like 3 or 4 Neons in there. i saw like 7 or 8 older (90s) Civics and Accords.

oh and about the Ferrari's. their made for top speed and corners. not short bursts of power and a straight line.