wow....thats 10 minuites of my life i will never get back just from reading pointless ramblings

 

slash were do you copy paste all this info lmfao,
or do you just have a $hitload of time on your hands

 

a stock r/t would be a non modded r/t....dropping in a sohc tranny isnt a mod, its more like maintnance...especially when its really hard around here to find an r/t tranny

i do that all the time....whats the problem????
thats like normal driving to me

 

2nd spud.....and for the record has anyone said the SOHC engine was ****? and the people who want to drop in a DOHC its for there own personal preforance. cause so far the cars that have been on here that are modded have been SOHC...look at dazz and 6sic6...besides that spud..and his was DOHC...slash your arguing a useless point. WHERE IT COUNTS THE DOHC HAS THE SOHC BEAT. WHETHER IT BE BY 1HP OR 50HP....REGARDLESS....IT WILL TAKE IT..

 

I see where slash is/was trying to go with this... he is just trying to tell you/us/whomever that he feels that the DOHC gearing in the tranny's is lower then the SOHC tranny'sand that a swap would greatly benefit the SOHC guys. And I could agree with that, after all gearing is really important when your dealing with light to light or drag situations.

I know that when I went from the stock 14" 185's to the 18" 215's my off the line went to total ****. And thats because I totally messed up the off the line gear ratio. Even with all the NA mods I have done to my neon it still sucks off the line, but get me in a rolling where I can get into the second gear and its a whole new ball game. My SOHC really pulls once it gets past about 40 or so.

But all the same unless your going to turbo you ride, putting a DOHC on a SOHC block with stock pistons serves little point. And from what I have gathered here and in other forums/on the net and the like the stock SOHC is actually a more bullet proof head when it comes to high revs and such because of its stock roller rocker setup. But when it comes to power the DOHC is going to be better in some ways stock because of its adjustability through being able to time the intake and exhaust valves more precisely. And thats where the flow arguement comes in.

I think it is all about wherte you are going with your mods and how much you want to sped getting there. If you want to go all the way and money is no object then a full DOHC swap is a good place to start, not only is does it have more performance parts available for it but it does overall produce more HP in the end. But if your like me... I can still put a turbo on my SOHC and havent had any problems finding the parts I have put on so far and reliability wise its still rock solid. And since I really dont feel like messing with yanking out the motor and/or tranny at this time(maybe later when something breaks) slapping a aftermarket cheapy ebay turbo setup on my SOHC makes the most sense to me and would help me with my low-end problems and still be less expensive.

 

Let's be real about this. The likely hood of us getting to race is kinda slim. Would be fun either. Way. Do not take it as a shot against you or your car. If you recall, we have discussed your setup, and I told you to run a turbo sohc would be fun. Even a dohc on 6-8psi is about low 14's, maybe high 13's with a good drive. That is with no i/c. Hell, we could race for the fun of it. Would be cool to actually run a neon that could be faster than me. Oh I was shocked as hell when the eclipse did not make the lead I had on him. Do not want you to think I knew I was going to win or anything. They do run mid 14's which let's me know what my car can do.

As others have said, we are not saying anything short on the your car. Though you did have to boost your car to beat a dohc? At least that is the route you took. I boost my car(and I will ), and we are back to square one again. Is the sohc under rated? Possible. Not that it would surprise anyone. I am going to dyno this setup before I get my head and the correct pistons. Local buddy has a nice sohc 98 with some bolt ons, and wants to run me. I am all for it. All in good fun.



Final thought:
My neon was sohc at first with a udp, iceman, and r/t mtx. It was quick. Swapping the head to a dohc opens the door for more flow/power. I see what you are saying about the gears, but the dohc revs higher than the sohc. Thus it takes advantage of more aggressive gears. What dohc owner is going to shift at 6k to accomadate a sohc ?

 

I'm not tryin to be an *** hole about any of this I just think that the SOHC has gotten the ****ty end of the short stick and proving its not the slug everyone says it is.

I also did not turbo my car to beat DOHC cars,I have higher goals than that.I turbo'ed my car so I could win races withoutengaging the kick down and so I could have nice driveability when I have passengers and not have to worry about bogging down as much when car is fully loaded with people and also toreplace the insane speed adreniline rush that a 800 tripple Arcticat Snowmobile gives now that snow is has less than a few weeks to live theturbo will give me that rush year round.

If there was anycar I designed my turbo system to beat it or run with itwould be my friends Turbo Charged WRX. I gota tell you so far he's feeling pretty ****y that herefinanced his house for a car that gets beat by a Neon.

I may do this SOHC vs DOHC debate but I'm a mopar man first, I'll root for a DOHC over any Civic or riceranyday of the week.

 

Who are you proving this too? No posts in here refer to you being a a$$hole or the sohc being a "slug." If you recall, the 1G sohc neon was voted as having more stock horsepower than any other car in its class. Does that sound under rated to you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_Neon

The Neon had more standard power when compared to competitor cars of similar vintage - the Civic DX at 102 hp (76 kW), the Civic EX at 125 hp (93 kW), the Sentra, the Escort ZX2 at 130 hp (97 kW), the Corolla at 115 hp (86 kW), etc.

At the Neon's release, then chairman of Chrysler Corporation Robert Lutz said, "There's an old saying in Detroit: 'Good, fast, or cheap. Pick any two.' We refuse to accept that."

The sohc neon was my first car, and it made a name for itself around here back then. It did not hold a candle to my friends dohc though. Even with the same mods, he got me by about 1.5 cars or so. His r/t was pretty quick, running the best of a 14.2 at the track. When my sohc spun a rod bearing, I dropped in a dohc engine on my sohc trans, and the difference is unmistakable. They took a "good" engine and made it better. Removable cam caps for larger cams, shorter gears in the mtx to maximize the larger air flow in the head. Stock for stock, the mtx dohc is made to do it better. Its a performance model! Just like going with a V8. You just get more out of it from the start, but that is not to say a V6 cannot do it. Not the best example, but you know what I mean. Funny thing is, I beat a dohc with all the mods I have now (see posts above), and all my n/a sohc had was the r/t mtx, iceman, atx tb, udp, and dohc muffler. He said he was slipping in the drizzling rain. BS, or his driving skills are what he was talking about.[sm=laughat.gif]

You really should consider a Magnum head or dohc head for most potential. I would not waste time o money on anything else. 14.1 is a great time, but can you do it at the track[sm=drooldude.gif] Need to run mine before tearing it down for the 2.4T.

 

i read all of that and i still have no idea wtf anyone means other than spud. chrysler gave neon buyers an option on heads for these cars. one was $150 and had more moving parts, but you got more power. a SOHC car, unless you can make ur own cams, is not as tuner friendly as a dohc car. yes- the factory wanted the dohc to feel more powerful. buyers were paying more money for it up until the end of the neons run. (my sport neon's sticker shows a $150 charge for the dohc option and a $150 rebate for it)

while we are on this topicwhy did dodge run a sohc in acr sedans and a dohc in acr coupes? because these are the cars that dodge meant to be fast on the track. so maybe the answer lies in there somewhere. id like to know.

a dual over head cam 2.0 enginemakes more power than a single over head cam 2.0. no matter what you do. if you take everything else out of the equation, trans pcm w/e. the dohc in factory form will always make more power. if you do all the same mods a dohc car will still have more power

if ur head swapping u need to look at compression and map out what you want to do with it. if all you want to do is swap the head for an instantperformance gain then no. theres no reason to do it.

which one is better? thats like askng whats better a milky way or a hershey bar? who cares its candy! everyones gonna think differently.

 

OMG YES......this is the most intelligent thing anyone has said in this entire post....