81 w150 power ram "The Duke"
#21
okay so what vehicles would roughly have the dana 60's that i could swap over. since i have a set of 33's pretty much new and could easily last a year or so. should i just find a lunch box and leave the gears for now and then when tires wear out go find a dana 60 and get some 35's? and if i threw a lift on it would i still be able to swap axles without replaceing the lift?
Just sayin'.
#22
okay i think ill just stick with my axles untill the day they brake on me or something cause like dodge duude said theres lots of people running 35's with stock axle and i think ill just get some 4.88 gears when my 33's wear down and ill see how she feels with 33' on stock gears and if its just not right i will go get some 4:10 or something also how would i be able to tell if the truck has bigger gears? cause this truck also does have a 400 maybe they installed bigger gear ratio when they did that?
#23
Almost all D60's would already have 3.55's more likely. And there are plenty of guys running the D44/9.25 combo with 4.88's and 35's. The 9.25 is actually a good axle when freshened up. It's just better to have a D60 as parts are a little easier to find.
Your RPMS would be too high. lol
Your RPMS would be too high. lol
D60's have the best aftermarket support for nearly all axle types.
The 9.25 axle is a very poorly designed axle that there is very little aftermarket support for. The pinion bearings are small and use crush sleeve and c-clip design with is bad for hard offroad usage.
They also don't even make 4.88's for 9.25's, 4.56 is as high as you can get.
#25
okay so what vehicles would roughly have the dana 60's that i could swap over. since i have a set of 33's pretty much new and could easily last a year or so. should i just find a lunch box and leave the gears for now and then when tires wear out go find a dana 60 and get some 35's? and if i threw a lift on it would i still be able to swap axles without replaceing the lift?
On the W-250's it would have a D60 Front if it has the 4500lb axle option. It is easy to tell them apart (D44 or D60) as the D60 is a king pin axle and would have the NP205 Transfer case. A W-250 would also have a D60 Rear.
Use caution if they come out of a diesel as it might have the D61\D71 combination with either 3.07 or 3.54 gears and are not easy to re-gear without a spacer which isn't made any longer or expensive thick cut gears.
You could also get an HD44 for the front; while not as strong as a D60 they do have upgrades over a standard D44 front axle.
#26
You can find them under 1977-1993 Dodge w-250 or 350's. All of the W-350's would have the front D60 and either a rear D60 or D70.
On the W-250's it would have a D60 Front if it has the 4500lb axle option. It is easy to tell them apart (D44 or D60) as the D60 is a king pin axle and would have the NP205 Transfer case. A W-250 would also have a D60 Rear.
Use caution if they come out of a diesel as it might have the D61\D71 combination with either 3.07 or 3.54 gears and are not easy to re-gear without a spacer which isn't made any longer or expensive thick cut gears.
You could also get an HD44 for the front; while not as strong as a D60 they do have upgrades over a standard D44 front axle.
On the W-250's it would have a D60 Front if it has the 4500lb axle option. It is easy to tell them apart (D44 or D60) as the D60 is a king pin axle and would have the NP205 Transfer case. A W-250 would also have a D60 Rear.
Use caution if they come out of a diesel as it might have the D61\D71 combination with either 3.07 or 3.54 gears and are not easy to re-gear without a spacer which isn't made any longer or expensive thick cut gears.
You could also get an HD44 for the front; while not as strong as a D60 they do have upgrades over a standard D44 front axle.
thank you very helpful for near future now its the debating.. lift n axles or power lol
#27
As for the lift; you can do it for either set of axles just know that D60's will add roughly 1" more lift as the perches are higher.
If you look over on RamchargerCentral you can see many different lifts, tire sizes, etc.
http://ramchargercentral.com/index.php
You have many options as to how to lift, how much to lift, how much flex etc. All it takes is time and money.
If you look over on RamchargerCentral you can see many different lifts, tire sizes, etc.
http://ramchargercentral.com/index.php
You have many options as to how to lift, how much to lift, how much flex etc. All it takes is time and money.
#28
Cool truck and it does sound nice. Hows the 400? Got some power?
I did some similar stuff to my truck so it may be helpful for comparison.
My truck 1992 W150 318 auto
I originally had the d44/9.25 axle combo with 3.54 gears and 35s. I never had any issues other than I had to replace my balljoints on the front which was expensive and a very good reason to switch to d60 kingpin to just not have to deal with balljoints. I didnt do any wheeling with it really so Im not sure how it would have held up in an offroad situation but I did want more power.
Found a guy parting out a 1992 W250 cummins with the d60/d70 combo with 4.10 gears and limited slip. I jumped on it. I dont really notice much of a difference between the gear ratio and I would prefer 4.56 but I dont have any plans to swap them. Still run 35s after a breif period with 33s. You rear driveshaft will have to be modified to do the swap, at least mine did. Make sure to check the brakes out real well. One of the rear brakes had a broken backing plate which is a pain to find as they arent made anymore, but the guy ended up finding one. And now my rears dont work, probably havnt since I had them. Fronts work well though. Youll also have to consider swapping the master cylinder. I didnt swap mine though.
sls is right about the d60 perch sitting higher, since the swap my front end has been sitting slightly higher then my rear end due to this. If you can find a pair of d60s or the d60/d70 combo for a decent price I say go for it. The dana 60s are pretty common.
I did some similar stuff to my truck so it may be helpful for comparison.
My truck 1992 W150 318 auto
I originally had the d44/9.25 axle combo with 3.54 gears and 35s. I never had any issues other than I had to replace my balljoints on the front which was expensive and a very good reason to switch to d60 kingpin to just not have to deal with balljoints. I didnt do any wheeling with it really so Im not sure how it would have held up in an offroad situation but I did want more power.
Found a guy parting out a 1992 W250 cummins with the d60/d70 combo with 4.10 gears and limited slip. I jumped on it. I dont really notice much of a difference between the gear ratio and I would prefer 4.56 but I dont have any plans to swap them. Still run 35s after a breif period with 33s. You rear driveshaft will have to be modified to do the swap, at least mine did. Make sure to check the brakes out real well. One of the rear brakes had a broken backing plate which is a pain to find as they arent made anymore, but the guy ended up finding one. And now my rears dont work, probably havnt since I had them. Fronts work well though. Youll also have to consider swapping the master cylinder. I didnt swap mine though.
sls is right about the d60 perch sitting higher, since the swap my front end has been sitting slightly higher then my rear end due to this. If you can find a pair of d60s or the d60/d70 combo for a decent price I say go for it. The dana 60s are pretty common.
#29
Nearly all D60's came with 4.10's..the only ones that came with 3.54's were from diesels and were D61 models. And, they are not hard to find at all www.car-part.com.
D60's have the best aftermarket support for nearly all axle types.
The 9.25 axle is a very poorly designed axle that there is very little aftermarket support for. The pinion bearings are small and use crush sleeve and c-clip design with is bad for hard offroad usage.
They also don't even make 4.88's for 9.25's, 4.56 is as high as you can get.
D60's have the best aftermarket support for nearly all axle types.
The 9.25 axle is a very poorly designed axle that there is very little aftermarket support for. The pinion bearings are small and use crush sleeve and c-clip design with is bad for hard offroad usage.
They also don't even make 4.88's for 9.25's, 4.56 is as high as you can get.
If you're right, that would be sweet. It explains why it does burn outs so well.
#30
Cool truck and it does sound nice. Hows the 400? Got some power?
I did some similar stuff to my truck so it may be helpful for comparison.
My truck 1992 W150 318 auto
I originally had the d44/9.25 axle combo with 3.54 gears and 35s. I never had any issues other than I had to replace my balljoints on the front which was expensive and a very good reason to switch to d60 kingpin to just not have to deal with balljoints. I didnt do any wheeling with it really so Im not sure how it would have held up in an offroad situation but I did want more power.
Found a guy parting out a 1992 W250 cummins with the d60/d70 combo with 4.10 gears and limited slip. I jumped on it. I dont really notice much of a difference between the gear ratio and I would prefer 4.56 but I dont have any plans to swap them. Still run 35s after a breif period with 33s. You rear driveshaft will have to be modified to do the swap, at least mine did. Make sure to check the brakes out real well. One of the rear brakes had a broken backing plate which is a pain to find as they arent made anymore, but the guy ended up finding one. And now my rears dont work, probably havnt since I had them. Fronts work well though. Youll also have to consider swapping the master cylinder. I didnt swap mine though.
sls is right about the d60 perch sitting higher, since the swap my front end has been sitting slightly higher then my rear end due to this. If you can find a pair of d60s or the d60/d70 combo for a decent price I say go for it. The dana 60s are pretty common.
I did some similar stuff to my truck so it may be helpful for comparison.
My truck 1992 W150 318 auto
I originally had the d44/9.25 axle combo with 3.54 gears and 35s. I never had any issues other than I had to replace my balljoints on the front which was expensive and a very good reason to switch to d60 kingpin to just not have to deal with balljoints. I didnt do any wheeling with it really so Im not sure how it would have held up in an offroad situation but I did want more power.
Found a guy parting out a 1992 W250 cummins with the d60/d70 combo with 4.10 gears and limited slip. I jumped on it. I dont really notice much of a difference between the gear ratio and I would prefer 4.56 but I dont have any plans to swap them. Still run 35s after a breif period with 33s. You rear driveshaft will have to be modified to do the swap, at least mine did. Make sure to check the brakes out real well. One of the rear brakes had a broken backing plate which is a pain to find as they arent made anymore, but the guy ended up finding one. And now my rears dont work, probably havnt since I had them. Fronts work well though. Youll also have to consider swapping the master cylinder. I didnt swap mine though.
sls is right about the d60 perch sitting higher, since the swap my front end has been sitting slightly higher then my rear end due to this. If you can find a pair of d60s or the d60/d70 combo for a decent price I say go for it. The dana 60s are pretty common.
hey yea well its differnt im coming from a fuel injected dakota with about 300hp so i would say it probably does have some kick to it i havent been able to fully pinner yet due to over heating problem. but the tq is sure nice barley give it any gas i find its actually better on gas in city then my dakota is. (for now) but im thinking the 400 doesnt have all the power she should. i wouldnt mind rebuilding it or stroking it one day. more power more fun lol. but it sounds amazing in person
and yea id love to find some d60's but i think the 44's will do for now untill they go then ill replace them with some d60's with air locker for front and locker rear with 4.58 gears and maybe do a disc conversion if thats the case were its hard to find a back plate