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Got a ticket today, should I fight it?
#1
Got a ticket today, should I fight it?
Ok, so I was on my way to class this morning when I got pulled over by a cop going the opposite direction, He said he clocked me going 72 in a 55, but apparently said I slowed to 70, however, on the ticket, it says he used "Watch (Ground)" Detection method for calculating my speed, which is the VASCAR system. No radar was used.
Basically what VASCAR is, is a stop watch with a calculator, he must enter in a distance then times how long it takes me to go that distance.
Distance
___________ = Speed
Time
So he has to use two points to measure the distance, and he must know the distance of the two points before hand. Keep in mind, I was a long ways away from him driving toward him and he was also traveling at Highway speed towards me so his visual perception alone could not of been very accurate.
But he says I was going 72 MPH, 72MPH = 105.6 Feet per second
I don't know what his distance was that he clocked me over, but say it was 250 feet.
250
_________ = 105.6FPS = 72 MPH
2.36 Seconds
However, scientific study shows that the average Human reaction time is .3 seconds. So if it takes him an extra .3 to start the clock, and stop the clock then it's then and extra .6 seconds for Reaction calculated below.
250
_________ = 84.45 FPS = 57 MPH.
2.96 Seconds
Therefor if you take into account the average reaction time of a human, I was actually only traveling 57 Miles Per Hour, and not the 72 that he supposedly clocked me at.
Think I have a chance to fight it?
EDIT: Oh yeah, on the ticket, it says I was driving a "Dodge Dakota". Notice something wrong with that.
Basically what VASCAR is, is a stop watch with a calculator, he must enter in a distance then times how long it takes me to go that distance.
Distance
___________ = Speed
Time
So he has to use two points to measure the distance, and he must know the distance of the two points before hand. Keep in mind, I was a long ways away from him driving toward him and he was also traveling at Highway speed towards me so his visual perception alone could not of been very accurate.
But he says I was going 72 MPH, 72MPH = 105.6 Feet per second
I don't know what his distance was that he clocked me over, but say it was 250 feet.
250
_________ = 105.6FPS = 72 MPH
2.36 Seconds
However, scientific study shows that the average Human reaction time is .3 seconds. So if it takes him an extra .3 to start the clock, and stop the clock then it's then and extra .6 seconds for Reaction calculated below.
250
_________ = 84.45 FPS = 57 MPH.
2.96 Seconds
Therefor if you take into account the average reaction time of a human, I was actually only traveling 57 Miles Per Hour, and not the 72 that he supposedly clocked me at.
Think I have a chance to fight it?
EDIT: Oh yeah, on the ticket, it says I was driving a "Dodge Dakota". Notice something wrong with that.
#2
I've gone to court every time I get pulled over. Most of the time I either got it dismissed or reduced. Its worth a try if nothing else.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...hapter6-2.html
is a good resource for help fighting them.
http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycloped...hapter6-2.html
is a good resource for help fighting them.
Last edited by MedicNathan; 12-07-2011 at 05:11 PM.
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#4
police in general are paid to have integrity.. i know, laughable, no?
if you go into court using this tact, you're going to get nailed to the jail.. if you approach it differently, you may have a chance to get it dismissed.. if it were me, and it isn't, but if it were, i'd say something like:
"...Judge, I pay particular attention to my speed, not only because of laws but because my truck is a pig when it comes to fuel.. It stands an outside chance this fella is right, but I swear on my life that is WAY out of character for me, and for more reasons than the posted speed limit.. I noticed when he pulled me there was no radar evidence, and on the ticket that he used vascar- and I don't want to say the officer is making this up, because I know he's a lawman and he's a trained observer, but I really think he's mistaken..."
it sucks you gotta play the edges and not say things direct, but you can't.. if you do, you challenge the system- they can't be having that.. plain and simple.. come up with some way to say it that doesn't directly conflict with the officer.. at the very least, and even if the judge lets you fly, you'll have to avoid that cop for a long long time- or get a new rig that he doesn't recognize.. it's just the way it is..
if you go into court using this tact, you're going to get nailed to the jail.. if you approach it differently, you may have a chance to get it dismissed.. if it were me, and it isn't, but if it were, i'd say something like:
"...Judge, I pay particular attention to my speed, not only because of laws but because my truck is a pig when it comes to fuel.. It stands an outside chance this fella is right, but I swear on my life that is WAY out of character for me, and for more reasons than the posted speed limit.. I noticed when he pulled me there was no radar evidence, and on the ticket that he used vascar- and I don't want to say the officer is making this up, because I know he's a lawman and he's a trained observer, but I really think he's mistaken..."
it sucks you gotta play the edges and not say things direct, but you can't.. if you do, you challenge the system- they can't be having that.. plain and simple.. come up with some way to say it that doesn't directly conflict with the officer.. at the very least, and even if the judge lets you fly, you'll have to avoid that cop for a long long time- or get a new rig that he doesn't recognize.. it's just the way it is..
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I had to take a driver improvement course after my first under 18 accident in Virginia. The instructor is a employee of VA Department of Transportation and also has a commercial driver's license.
He told us a story about going on a ride with a cop, and they were in the cop car, and the radar gun clocked a stop sign going 80MPH.
Can't trust radar either.
But I would fight it.
He told us a story about going on a ride with a cop, and they were in the cop car, and the radar gun clocked a stop sign going 80MPH.
Can't trust radar either.
But I would fight it.
#7
just like your math proves. a fraction of a second can be a big difference and that the human brain is not really capable of judging it which is why we invented the radars for them. if the guy can not tell the difference between a ram and dakota he should not be a cop. does it not say ram in fairly respectable sized letters on the door that he would have had to approach? i am almost certain dakota don't and are much smaller.
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#8
lol Actually believe it or not, I got it all on video, thanks to my own Dash Cam.
I was an idiot and told him, "That's not my vehicle"
he said "What's not? It's a..?"
"It's a Ram."
He just said
"Is that what you call it? It doesn't matter, I got the license plate.." Or something along those lines.
I was an idiot and told him, "That's not my vehicle"
he said "What's not? It's a..?"
"It's a Ram."
He just said
"Is that what you call it? It doesn't matter, I got the license plate.." Or something along those lines.