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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by stewie01
There's nothing wrong with trying to build a fuel efficient truck. Problem these trucks weren't designed for good fuel mileage. They were made was gas was cheap and no one cared about fuel economy.

Expecting reasonable mileage out of these trucks is crazy, some claim really good numbers, I can see up to 16mpg on the interstate, but if you want a truck that's half good on gas, go for a newer one that's built under some of the mpg laws....
the things that make this truck a poor fuel mileage truck is , it doesn't has a mass air flow meeter/sensor, low compression ratio, low operating temperature. i just try to get it as efficient as possible, i am not crazy, just to try save money.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 02:03 AM
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it is those thing that make these engines so reliable. the old slant 6 that is almost impossible to kill ran a compression ratio of 7.5:1. sure they could have shaved 11/410 inch or so from the head surface and increase compression while loosing about 5 pounds of cast iron but it would not as reliable and bullet proof as they are.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by stocking2
the things that make this truck a poor fuel mileage truck is , it doesn't has a mass air flow meeter/sensor, low compression ratio, low operating temperature. i just try to get it as efficient as possible, i am not crazy, just to try save money.
Well I mean no offense, if you can squeeze better mpgs out of your truck than great!

If not, don't be too let down...
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Wombat Ranger
You want better power that translates into mpg's? E-fan & double roller timing chain. Roller rockers could help too, but that's getting expensive, and 1.7"s encourage more fuel to be used, and lets be honest, whos gonna buy 1.6"s with a stock cam? My e-fan setup cost ~$100, and double roller about $45. Both reduce friction and drag on the engine. Both help the engine to produce more power (esp at low rps where it counts) while still in stock form. My motor revs quicker and I am happy with the power with these being the only mods to it.
How does a double roller get you better power/mpgs? Isn't the main benefit they don't stretch as much, or do they actually "roll" better?
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by crazzywolfie
this is why i like my old mechanical stuff. the only thing that messes up when i unplug the battery is the stupid delco stereo.
I want a stereo in my 76.
Originally Posted by Wombat Ranger
You want better power that translates into mpg's? E-fan & double roller timing chain. Roller rockers could help too, but that's getting expensive, and 1.7"s encourage more fuel to be used, and lets be honest, whos gonna buy 1.6"s with a stock cam? My e-fan setup cost ~$100, and double roller about $45. Both reduce friction and drag on the engine. Both help the engine to produce more power (esp at low rps where it counts) while still in stock form. My motor revs quicker and I am happy with the power with these being the only mods to it.
I am going to do the timing chain soon, provided I get the cash. E-fan, yeah, it's on the list...the long list....along with the HS1.7's.
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How does a double roller get you better power/mpgs? Isn't the main benefit they don't stretch as much, or do they actually "roll" better?
They don't stretch as much and I think consequently there is less drag on the engine BECAUSE it doesn't stretch.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 10:23 AM
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Might try headers. Seems like if the exhaust can escape easier, it might help MPGs. Im sure someone will disagree, but its a thought.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by crazzywolfie
this is why i like my old mechanical stuff. the only thing that messes up when i unplug the battery is the stupid delco stereo.
Yeah buddy, rock it ole'-school! Same with mine. My truck has no idea if I unhooked the battery since the last time it was run or not.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramcountryboy
How does a double roller get you better power/mpgs? Isn't the main benefit they don't stretch as much, or do they actually "roll" better?
Some say they don't stretch as much, I can't comment on that as I have a fairly stretched double roller in my '72 d100's 318, but the main benefits in my opinion are 1) replacing the old worn and stretched timing chain with a new tight one, and 2) it is much lighter to turn and creates far less friction.

To explain a bit better. The original timing chain in your truck is going to be stretched, guaranteed. It just happens over time with miles. Since everything having to do with an engine eventually wears out, I wouldn't try to say that a double roller timing chain will never stretch. So, double roller or not, a new timing chain will tighten up the relationship between crank and cam, causing the valves to open and close at precisely the right time, where they may have used to be a bit inaccurate with the old looser chain. So that's benefit #1 of replacing it, and that benefit would be acheived whether one used an original "morse" style chain or a double roller.

Benefit #2 is the friction reduction. There is less contact between the gear teeth and the chain with a double roller set, resulting in less friction. The contact that does exist is also more optimized by design of the chain/teeth, so it creates the least amount of drag possible. The morse chain is also significantly heavier than the double roller. Weight multiplies when rotated at speed, so as engine rpms increase, more rotating weight makes more drag, hindering quicker revs and horsepower.

In the case of removing extra load from an engine, you would see an mpg gain along with the extra power.
 

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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 01:01 PM
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+1 for a very informative post.


What is your take on advancing the cam timing with a 3-keyway timing set?
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 01:45 PM
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^ I like the characteristics of the motor in stock form. If I wanted to change valve timing I would do so with an aftermarket cam. I don't think that changing the degree of a stock cam by 3 degrees in a stock electronically controlled engine would make any beneficial difference whatsoever, so I left it stock.
 
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