i remember the first set i ordered was the ti tech coated and the second set that tani has were the ceramic..

the ti tech is a form the their ceramic coating...

 

what about the Armor Coat Ceramic headers from pace setter, any word on those? Is there a way to keep the stainless steels from turning that blue color

 

To avoid headaches & regrets,
the headers need thick, flat flanges
very good anti-corrosion coatings overtop well-prepared base metal
and primary pipe lengths in the 42 inch range.

The exhaust system behind the headers can cut the gains from them in half.

One of the smartest guys in all things exhaust seems to be this guy:

http://www.insideracingtechnology.com/drgas.html

 

I'd have to agree here. Even with my cheapass PaceSetter shorties I felt a difference. I'm very happy with them. Made it a bit louder and deeper exhaust tone as well.

 

So can somebody tell me this:

Are longtube headers going to net more than shorties on a truck that might only be really producing around 250 HP max?

I'm not trying to start a fight here or anything, but there seems to be a lot of misinformation about headers and our trucks when comparing LT vs. shorty headers. There seems to be a weird sort of love affair with LT's and the stated 13HP and 33 ft/lbs of torque over shorties (or whatever the numbers claimed are), but does anybody ever ask what engine those are being run on? And at what RPM's they are seeing those gains? And how often does the average driver see that level of performance?

Everything I've been reading outside of the this forum is telling me that the HP and Torque gains of LT's over shorties are only happening on engines producing much more HP than what stock is. Realistically there aren't many of us here producing a Drag Truck, to warrant a complete rework of the exhaust system just to put on longtubes because we may never mod to the point of seeing those gains. I know there's a certain "mystique", "sound" or perceived penile enlargement associated with running a truck with longtubes, but from a practical stand point, is there a distinct HP or Torque advantage of longtubes over shorties on a mild to medium modified Daily Driver? If there are advantages to running LT on a slightly modified DD, I really woukd like to read up on it, because I can't find it anywhere. If you've got it, By all means please enlighten me with the facts or a link to read, I'm always interested in getting max performance.

And where might the switchover/cutoff point be when considering the swap to LT over shorties? I know that the Stock 2001 5.2 liter is rated at like 220 hp, but Dyno'ed it isn't anywhere near that. I would like some solid facts/links to make an informed decision, not just "longtubes are so frickin' tight! just get them, dude!"

 

I've been reading this it seems like good info It's not people saying just get them.

http://www.dodgetalk.com/forums/show...ight=Long+Tube

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