*Post Header Install/Symptoms* (Fresh Start)
a buddy of mine had a problem similar to yours in his pickup. it was cold out one day when he started his truck and it was running really rough and couldnt get it up over 30mph. he had some codes pulled and it showed that his o2 sensor was bad and that he had an erratic misfire. he bought a new o2 sensor and set of plugs and we replaced them in his driveway and she ran perfect after that. id give that a try if i were you when you get your codes read and thats what it says. My buddies o2 sensor was completely covered with a black soot, and you couldnt even see any of the holes in it. he also had 2 plugs that were so covered in soot that i was in shock.
new plugs = 14bucks
o2sensor = 60bucks
seafoam = 5bucks
hopefully all goes well, and hopefully you can find that coolant leak
new plugs = 14bucks
o2sensor = 60bucks
seafoam = 5bucks
hopefully all goes well, and hopefully you can find that coolant leak
Interesting, very interesting guys. I am now wondering if my mechanic originally screwed up the wiring pattern for the spark plugs, and then when the other mechanic changed them, he just followed the other mechanics **** up. The only thing that bothers me, is that this problem has been gradual, or over time. The truck actually starting coughing up and shutting off on me even the first time I got the truck, it just wasn't as bad. Then the second time I got it back, within a couple of days, that's when it really started to get bad and then eventually become unmoveable. When I get out of the truck, the gas fuems smell so rich. Ya know what it smells like? It smells like a 2 cycle engine, like a fricken snowmobile now, it's pretty nasty smelling (Dont get me wrong, love a snowmobile smell, but on my truck...NO!). Im having the truck towed this morning to the dealership, they might rip me, but they will at least know their dodges unlike all these other guys. When it gets there, I am going to have a mechanic come out into the truck with me and see what I am talking about. I also will ask him to check all wiring near the headers, and check the spark plug wiring pattern as well. I hate the dealership and I don't feel like them taking my truck on, it's a little too "custom" for them. When they see the headers and the y-pipe and the cat (hopefully they wont tell its gutted) then just will shut their mouths and not get all gay on me. If it's an 02 sensor, how much do those run for? Also, if the wiring is ****ed up, can they run new stock wire but just run it longer to where the cat is now so it isn't spliced and ****? There are just so many possibilities, and the strange thing was this problem wasn't instant, it just got worse and worse over the 2 weeks after the header job, until it finally became paralyzed. Also, in the videos of course the truck was riding OK...but last night on the way to walmart, it was just barely moving, and getting down to 200. Usually my truck idle 600-700 rpms.
ORIGINAL: 20DodgeNeon00
Interesting, very interesting guys. I am now wondering if my mechanic originally screwed up the wiring pattern for the spark plugs, and then when the other mechanic changed them, he just followed the other mechanics **** up. The only thing that bothers me, is that this problem has been gradual, or over time. The truck actually starting coughing up and shutting off on me even the first time I got the truck, it just wasn't as bad. Then the second time I got it back, within a couple of days, that's when it really started to get bad and then eventually become unmoveable. When I get out of the truck, the gas fuems smell so rich. Ya know what it smells like? It smells like a 2 cycle engine, like a fricken snowmobile now, it's pretty nasty smelling (Dont get me wrong, love a snowmobile smell, but on my truck...NO!). Im having the truck towed this morning to the dealership, they might rip me, but they will at least know their dodges unlike all these other guys. When it gets there, I am going to have a mechanic come out into the truck with me and see what I am talking about. I also will ask him to check all wiring near the headers, and check the spark plug wiring pattern as well. I hate the dealership and I don't feel like them taking my truck on, it's a little too "custom" for them. When they see the headers and the y-pipe and the cat (hopefully they wont tell its gutted) then just will shut their mouths and not get all gay on me. If it's an 02 sensor, how much do those run for? Also, if the wiring is ****ed up, can they run new stock wire but just run it longer to where the cat is now so it isn't spliced and ****? There are just so many possibilities, and the strange thing was this problem wasn't instant, it just got worse and worse over the 2 weeks after the header job, until it finally became paralyzed. Also, in the videos of course the truck was riding OK...but last night on the way to walmart, it was just barely moving, and getting down to 200. Usually my truck idle 600-700 rpms.
Interesting, very interesting guys. I am now wondering if my mechanic originally screwed up the wiring pattern for the spark plugs, and then when the other mechanic changed them, he just followed the other mechanics **** up. The only thing that bothers me, is that this problem has been gradual, or over time. The truck actually starting coughing up and shutting off on me even the first time I got the truck, it just wasn't as bad. Then the second time I got it back, within a couple of days, that's when it really started to get bad and then eventually become unmoveable. When I get out of the truck, the gas fuems smell so rich. Ya know what it smells like? It smells like a 2 cycle engine, like a fricken snowmobile now, it's pretty nasty smelling (Dont get me wrong, love a snowmobile smell, but on my truck...NO!). Im having the truck towed this morning to the dealership, they might rip me, but they will at least know their dodges unlike all these other guys. When it gets there, I am going to have a mechanic come out into the truck with me and see what I am talking about. I also will ask him to check all wiring near the headers, and check the spark plug wiring pattern as well. I hate the dealership and I don't feel like them taking my truck on, it's a little too "custom" for them. When they see the headers and the y-pipe and the cat (hopefully they wont tell its gutted) then just will shut their mouths and not get all gay on me. If it's an 02 sensor, how much do those run for? Also, if the wiring is ****ed up, can they run new stock wire but just run it longer to where the cat is now so it isn't spliced and ****? There are just so many possibilities, and the strange thing was this problem wasn't instant, it just got worse and worse over the 2 weeks after the header job, until it finally became paralyzed. Also, in the videos of course the truck was riding OK...but last night on the way to walmart, it was just barely moving, and getting down to 200. Usually my truck idle 600-700 rpms.
1. Yea.. gee, wonder who suggested that? haha many of us.
2. You want the tech to check it? check it yourself dude! I posted the firing order for a reason. If it is as simple as that, why go to the stealership?
3. As far as your truck being too custom?? Lift kit doesnt really matter in eyes of dodge, and so many people have exhausts. I dont think it is quite... too custom in my book.
4. I dont know the answer if they can replace the wire, I never followed the wire up to see where it goes. (take a look under and find out, see if there is a junction point)
5. It probably got progressively worse as the computer keeps trying to compensate for the o2 readings over time.
Final thoughts...
Get your elbows dirty and check the spark plug wiring is to the correct cylinder. (and routing sugg. by others)
Buy an o2 sensor for upfront
Buy an o2 sim for the rear
I honestly think the computer keeps trying to compensate which is causing your problems. If its not ur wires, again, i seriously would buy a new o2 for upfront, and a sim for the rear.
ORIGINAL: pcfixerpro
I watched your vids and never say your idle drop to 200 like you said. Not calling ya out, but in teh vids i saw it drop to just above the 500 mark. Mine likes just a hair above that line when hot and idleing. Exhaust sounds like a sweet cam. Just a heads up, I wouldn't take to the dealer at this point. Having that gutted cat is going to be one of the first things they suggest you change. I can almost bet on it. They will blame that as the problem expecially after they look at the codes. Even though your not having any luck with shade tree mechanics, I look into swaping them o2. Think about it here for a min... How many times did your mechanic fumble around with that o2. It ran fine after he did it the first time rite? Well... if he pulled it out again and knocked it somehow or something wierd. Exp if the o2 is the stock 1. By now i'd invest in a set reguardless. As a last resort i'djust go to the dealer and ask one of the techs to come out for a min and take a look. If you drop it off, they are gonna double pound you ... u know where
. Lets also think this through... your mechanic had to re-pull the headers off to pull the rest of the bolts out right? It ran right the first time you got it back. but again he had to re-pull it back off, so what if he did swap 2 of them. You get the tuneup at this other place and they swap 1 wire at a time. Leaves you with the same fumbled wiring again. I would honestly recheck your wiring!!! heck, 5 more minutes of your time to follow each one individually is worth it imho. Tripple check. Ill post the firing order. Print this out and make sure.
Good luck!
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ORIGINAL: 20DodgeNeon00
The only problem is though is I just got a complete tune-up done yesterday (new plugs, wires, distributer cap, coil, and rotor). And she's still running terrible..hmm
ORIGINAL: aim4squirrels
I'm thinking there's a bad wire connection from the coil, or you're coil's going out. Check either the connection directly on the coil, or the coil connection on the distributor cap. The plug on the bottom of the coil is kind of close to the #2 exhaust header, maybe the mech pulled it loose on the swap.
A crossed wire will buck horribly right off the start, (i've done it) it doesn't need to warm up to show symptoms. A bad coil or coil connection can dump extra fuel onto the 02 sensors and cause the PCM to super lean out the fuel mix to make the engine starve for fuel.
I'm thinking there's a bad wire connection from the coil, or you're coil's going out. Check either the connection directly on the coil, or the coil connection on the distributor cap. The plug on the bottom of the coil is kind of close to the #2 exhaust header, maybe the mech pulled it loose on the swap.
A crossed wire will buck horribly right off the start, (i've done it) it doesn't need to warm up to show symptoms. A bad coil or coil connection can dump extra fuel onto the 02 sensors and cause the PCM to super lean out the fuel mix to make the engine starve for fuel.
. Lets also think this through... your mechanic had to re-pull the headers off to pull the rest of the bolts out right? It ran right the first time you got it back. but again he had to re-pull it back off, so what if he did swap 2 of them. You get the tuneup at this other place and they swap 1 wire at a time. Leaves you with the same fumbled wiring again. I would honestly recheck your wiring!!! heck, 5 more minutes of your time to follow each one individually is worth it imho. Tripple check. Ill post the firing order. Print this out and make sure.Good luck!
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Alsodid he even move the front02 sensor? If this whole thing ends up being the dumbass mechanic that put your headers on cut the wire to the front 02 sensor then twisting it together and putting electrical tape on it (which I woulnd't putpastanyone who did the imaculate job he did) I'd go lynch that ******* immidiatley, or at least break both of his hands to the point where he can't screw up anyone elses vehicle.
Possibleway to tell if it's the coil...when your truck runs like **** get out and look at your exhaust system. Is itredhot? I mean like glowing red? In my old oldsmobile the coil blew and itstarted dumpinggas right down my exhaust system. It got so hot on the7 mile drive home some of the hangers melted off.
Also weren't you having transmission problems? Could this possibly be the cause of that?
Keep checking your coolant levels too, make sure it's not leaking out anywhere.
ORIGINAL: 20DodgeNeon00
When I get out of the truck, the gas fuems smell so rich. Ya know what it smells like? It smells like a 2 cycle engine, like a fricken snowmobile now, it's pretty nasty smelling (Dont get me wrong, love a snowmobile smell, but on my truck...NO!).
When I get out of the truck, the gas fuems smell so rich. Ya know what it smells like? It smells like a 2 cycle engine, like a fricken snowmobile now, it's pretty nasty smelling (Dont get me wrong, love a snowmobile smell, but on my truck...NO!).
Also if you take it to the dealership and drop it off there's a good chance that when you get back they'll have replaced the 02 sensor, as well as the plenum gasket (since I'm fairly sure yours is leaking since your motor knocks if you don't put high octane gas in it) a new transmission (since you said yours was on the way out) a new catalytic converter (and it'll be a stocker), and you'll have one hell of a ****ed up bill when you come back to get your truck. Since you can't afford it they'll probably give you a credit card to put it on with some rediculous interest rate. Think I'm joking? I've seen it happen to people. Stay out of the dealership.
well it could have been running crapy cuz it was only registering 1 side of the exhaust??? Just thinkin. I though he just lost torque in the beginning. The front o2 fits, but he spliced the rear o2 i thought. how does "xskylinedx" ??? I think thats is sn? yea how does he have things run?
What does it matter its at the shop already , this is what burns me .. you call everyone names thread gets lock.. you start a new thread (and i almost felt sorry for you ) then we do try to help you ,justso you cantake it to a shop.. why bother ?? why take a video when the truck seems to be running ok ??? does not tell us **** , then this been doing it from start ?? This is why i post nothing but dumb **** in this forum , cause the help went to waste
my dad has this saying : If you dont know what the **** you are doing , maybe you shouldnt be doing it....
my dad has this saying : If you dont know what the **** you are doing , maybe you shouldnt be doing it....
pa does have a good point? Why are we helping you so you can take it to the dealership of all places?Word of warning about dealerships. THEY DON'T FIX THINGS. THEY REPLACE THINGS.
oh well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
20dodgeneon02 do you now realize why you should have asked for an xbox360 for christmas? Because you'd still have a ride, and you'd be having fun
oh well don't worry about it now.
This is what you call a "learning experince". We've all had them. These are the things that make you a smarter person and (hopefully) build character. Spending thousands of dollars on unexpected repairs will do that to a person.
oh well you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
20dodgeneon02 do you now realize why you should have asked for an xbox360 for christmas? Because you'd still have a ride, and you'd be having fun

oh well don't worry about it now.
This is what you call a "learning experince". We've all had them. These are the things that make you a smarter person and (hopefully) build character. Spending thousands of dollars on unexpected repairs will do that to a person.



