V10 vs. Cummins
7's and 11's is my EVERYDAY daily driver, as it sits, right now, at 7400 lbs.
Not a track queen, not a one use only rig........ my do everything, when I need it to, daily driver.
7's........11's.........18 MPG city / 21 hwy......lemme see a V10 do that. That's the beauty of diesel. You can add power and still get mileage. It's not nearly as manageable in a big gasser.
You get one or the other in a gas engine.
Not a track queen, not a one use only rig........ my do everything, when I need it to, daily driver.
7's........11's.........18 MPG city / 21 hwy......lemme see a V10 do that. That's the beauty of diesel. You can add power and still get mileage. It's not nearly as manageable in a big gasser.
You get one or the other in a gas engine.
Last edited by CaptCameltoe; Jan 29, 2009 at 09:28 PM.
You'd be surprised......
Tuned right, you get better mileage on the higher power levels than you do on the lower ones.
On 30 gals of fuel, I normally get 520 - 530 miles in day to day driving (usually with the power turned up and not driving very conservatively) and have gotten as much as 630 on the highway (duration turned down, Tq Mgmt reduced, timing increased).
Now....if you're runnin around rollin coal all over the place, you're mileage will suck.
But yes, I have the power cranked up most of the time, unless I'm doing nothing but a long distance trip, then I turn the electronics down (mostly the injection duration).
What takes 10 minutes to tune on a diesel, takes replacing parts or reducing displacement on a gas engine.
Tuned right, you get better mileage on the higher power levels than you do on the lower ones.
On 30 gals of fuel, I normally get 520 - 530 miles in day to day driving (usually with the power turned up and not driving very conservatively) and have gotten as much as 630 on the highway (duration turned down, Tq Mgmt reduced, timing increased).
Now....if you're runnin around rollin coal all over the place, you're mileage will suck.
But yes, I have the power cranked up most of the time, unless I'm doing nothing but a long distance trip, then I turn the electronics down (mostly the injection duration).
What takes 10 minutes to tune on a diesel, takes replacing parts or reducing displacement on a gas engine.
BUT remember that's an advantage of bein turbocharged, not really the diesel engine itself. Which is sort of my point I was tryin to get at in my adult "ADD" way lol you can boost anything and get insane amounts of power with little to no work if the bottom end is stout from the start, look at those supras. If you have ever driven a non turbo diesel, you will know that turbo is the modern diesels saving grace.
Oh, I know what a dog a non turbo'd diesel is. I have many of them at work.
The mileage mods on a diesel don't really affect the turbo, they affect the fuel delivery. Mainly the timing, duration and injection pressure.
Add some timing, decrease duration, increase injection pressure and you get better atomization of the fuel.
That's on any electronically controlled diesel, NA or TD.
Now, on something like a 12V, a non turbo'd 7.3 or a Chevy 6.5, it's all hard parts and the same rules apply to them as they do to a gas engine. It's not as easy to switch back and forth.
Mine is compromise of max power and max mileage. I don't run enormous injectors, but I do run twin injection pumps and moderate size injectors with 2 additional holes per nozzle. Instead of one huge turbo, I run compounds. A TC that is mated to the engine Tq curve. Instead of nitrous, I use water injection. Mutiple electronic mods that adjust different parameters rather than a "one size fits all" programmer.
The mileage mods on a diesel don't really affect the turbo, they affect the fuel delivery. Mainly the timing, duration and injection pressure.
Add some timing, decrease duration, increase injection pressure and you get better atomization of the fuel.
That's on any electronically controlled diesel, NA or TD.
Now, on something like a 12V, a non turbo'd 7.3 or a Chevy 6.5, it's all hard parts and the same rules apply to them as they do to a gas engine. It's not as easy to switch back and forth.
Mine is compromise of max power and max mileage. I don't run enormous injectors, but I do run twin injection pumps and moderate size injectors with 2 additional holes per nozzle. Instead of one huge turbo, I run compounds. A TC that is mated to the engine Tq curve. Instead of nitrous, I use water injection. Mutiple electronic mods that adjust different parameters rather than a "one size fits all" programmer.
probably a good thing, you might not understand half of it anyways lol
coal train lost me on that last bit since I have never fooled with a diesel, but i sorta understand it
Last edited by CaptCameltoe; Jan 29, 2009 at 09:53 PM.
I can understand his post.
Your first long *** post is so long that it hurts my eyes to read and is hard to follow. You need to edit it and put in spaces like I have in this post to seperate your main points.
Last edited by PurplDodge; Jan 29, 2009 at 10:11 PM.
Why would you say that I cant understand them? Is it because I'm 13 and you think i'm stupid?
Your first long *** post is so long that it hurts my eyes to read and is hard to follow. You need to edit it and put in spaces like I have in this post to seperate your main points.
Your first long *** post is so long that it hurts my eyes to read and is hard to follow. You need to edit it and put in spaces like I have in this post to seperate your main points.
Last edited by CaptCameltoe; Jan 29, 2009 at 10:42 PM.
haha, one thing that bothers me is when someone buys a diesel truck and doesnt make it work, and 150k on a motor is ****, you can get way more out of a gas engine now adays, there nothing compaired to a diesel, but thats not a fair comparison, my 5.9 got me 220k and its been bagged the entire time, they are great motors, just a very ****ty head design, my recomendation if your looking to make power change heads you will gain amazing amounts and also mileage, and my dads 92 ctd it has hi performance injectors and 800000k (i think thats the correct zeros) and still gets 32 mpg
BUT remember that's an advantage of bein turbocharged, not really the diesel engine itself. Which is sort of my point I was tryin to get at in my adult "ADD" way lol you can boost anything and get insane amounts of power with little to no work if the bottom end is stout from the start, look at those supras. If you have ever driven a non turbo diesel, you will know that turbo is the modern diesels saving grace.
Diesels are built with turbos..ment for turbos used with turbos for a reason..a diesel with a turbo is stock. A diesel w/o a turbo just..doesnt work. Thats like running an engine w/o a carb or TB. Just..no.



